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#37917 - 01/09/2001 23:49 OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition
CHiP
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Registered: 08/06/1999
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
I just saw an OnStar system in action, and i must say, i was impressed with the ability of the system to Recognise your voice, and do things like dial the phone. I was esp interested in the way that it interfaces with you. It will say things like, "pardon me?" and "ready" and other sayings that talk back to you as fast as a human. if you talk too fast, it will say, "please talk slower...".. i was impressed with how easy it was to use.

Can anyone in the development of the empeg's Recognition program compair the quality and/or features of emepg's future Recognition System and OnStar's system?



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#37918 - 02/09/2001 02:41 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: CHiP]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
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> Can anyone in the development of the empeg's Recognition program compair the quality and/or
> features of emepg's future Recognition System and OnStar's system?

No because right now we're testing five different voice recognition systems - plus I've only used OnStar for a few minutes.

We're aiming for something similar, though.

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#37919 - 02/09/2001 05:24 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: rob]
EngelenH
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Registered: 29/09/2000
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Loc: Belgium/Holland
Any of them open source or affordable for the linux platform ? Looking for one now that I have gotten into X10 and fitting my recently acquired house with it.

I know about the IBM package and that's about it.

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#37920 - 02/09/2001 07:00 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: rob]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
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Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Actually, one of the packages we're evaluating is the same VR engine used in GM's Onstar system :)

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#37921 - 03/09/2001 03:39 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: altman]
veixl
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Registered: 26/08/2000
Posts: 98
Loc: Tartu, Estonia, Europe
Will there be some way to use upcoming VR with MK1? Maybe its possible to add external microphone to serial port or smthng. Will there be a MK1 version of VR software to use with external mic? I would desperately love to have VR but i can't afford to upgrade to MK2 in near future.


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#37922 - 03/09/2001 05:43 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: veixl]
rob
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I doubt it very much. As well as the microphone problem, VR systems have a large-ish memory footprint which could be a problem with the Mk.1.

Rob



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#37923 - 03/09/2001 06:09 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: EngelenH]
rob
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The one's we're looking at are all commercial (intended for OEM applications).

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#37924 - 03/09/2001 09:54 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: EngelenH]
753
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Looking for one now that I have gotten into X10 and fitting my recently acquired house with it.

X10 in Belgium? I thought there where only a handful of devices available designed for the european 220/230v, while the more interesting ones were usually for 115v only. Its a while back now, that i last checked though.

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#37925 - 03/09/2001 10:08 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: 753]
rob
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We use X10 in the office, to drive the Broken Build Beacon, which flashes when someone screws up.

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#37926 - 03/09/2001 10:46 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: rob]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
the Broken Build Beacon, which flashes when someone screws up.

Bad, bad, naughty Zoot!

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#37927 - 03/09/2001 12:27 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: 753]
EngelenH
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Registered: 29/09/2000
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Loc: Belgium/Holland
http://www.x10europe.com/ ... nuff said :-).

Though I must admit not all of the gadgets are as readily available. Still ... the bulk of the usable modules are there and quite a few of the gimmicky ones too. With links to where to buy.

Got myself a couple of starter kits first and am gunna make an inventory of the rest soon.

Cheers,
Hans


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#37928 - 05/09/2001 14:35 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: altman]
CHiP
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
With 12MB in the MKII, will there be enough memory for the voice reg? How much memory is used up currently with version 1.02? I would imagine that the voice reg would take up a lot of memory.

Also, is there a web site somewhere that goes into depth on how the voice reg progam works?

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#37929 - 05/09/2001 14:38 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: CHiP]
tfabris
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The deliberately put more RAM into the Mk2 so that they could do voice recognition at a future date. The Mk2 should have enough RAM to do the job.

There is no web site detailing how the voice recognition will work, because there isn't any voice recognition yet. They are still evaluating methods and have not settled on anything yet.

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#37930 - 05/09/2001 14:56 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: CHiP]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
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Loc: Palo Alto, CA
The VR will probably involve spinning the disk up to load extra voice tables; ie, in normal operation it will recognise the key word to start recognition (eg "empeg") but before speaking further commands you may have to wait for an audio prompt.

The player takes up a couple of megs, the rest is linux and cache generally. VR footprints that we've been looking at are in the 1mb-4mb range.

Hugo



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#37931 - 05/09/2001 15:04 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: altman]
CHiP
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
okay, thanks for the info.

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#37932 - 06/09/2001 14:52 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: altman]
eternalsun
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Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
That sounds like the Nuance engine. That engine is quite good, and works well over the phone, with static and background noise. It does stumble sometimes though. With the OnStar system there are two parts going on: You have the "personalities" piece built on top of the Nuance Engine. The Personalities module is from General Magic. The Nuance is purely the recognition piece. I'm more impressed with the personalities stuff than the nuance engine actually ;).

Calvin


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#37933 - 06/09/2001 15:40 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: eternalsun]
srhodes
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Registered: 30/01/2000
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Loc: Derbyshire, UK
I'm curious as to what the expectation is for Voice Recognition regarding features. I mean, will it virtually replace the remote for searching and tweaking playlists or will it be mostly for simple commands like volume up/down and next/prev track? Or is it still far too early days for such considerations?

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#37934 - 06/09/2001 15:41 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: srhodes]
tfabris
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I know what Doug wants it to do...

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#37935 - 07/09/2001 02:48 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: srhodes]
BartDG
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I wonder how well that Voice recognition works when you've got your music at a "decent" volume level. (like is mostly the case with me). Won't the music interfere with the voice commands much?

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#37936 - 07/09/2001 04:23 Re: OnStar vs. empeg's Future Voice Recognition [Re: BartDG]
Derek
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Registered: 16/08/1999
Posts: 453
Loc: NRW, Germany
Well they have both the music-speech (mic) and the pure music signals inside the empeg, so if they have problems here and want to be REALLY tricky they can subtract the music signal from the microphone input and end up with just the speech (+ engine noise etc.). Anything is possible

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