#285695 - 19/08/2006 13:59
Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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Loc: Helsinki, Finland
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I'm guessing this must be a driver problem but I'm not sure..
I have a dual boot Dell XPS computer with a NVIDIA GeForce 5200 video card. I usually use this computer with Kubuntu, but for work I sometimes need to use XP (usually I work from a laptop with XP). So one day I restart the computer into XP, I get no further than the windows splash screen, with the blue bar thingy. The the screen goes dark and the computer reboots. OK, I restart with VGA mode, and uninstall the drivers and reinstall the lastest drivers. This doesn't work as the thing reboots in the middle of the install process. So I'm stuck at VGA level graphics, any attempt to increse the resolution kills it.
Now under Kubuntu everythings works fine! No problems at all. So I'm guessing that the windows video driver is telling the card to do somthing that it is no longer able to do, due to some physical problem? My guess is that the more generic linux driver somehow bypasses this trouble spot.
The monitor can be conected via DVI or VGA and the problem occurs with both. I can't think of anything else that would be relavant. I can't recall adding any new software or drivers on the windows side that would have changed things. But then I can go for weeks before I reboot into windows so....
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#285696 - 19/08/2006 14:22
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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Registered: 01/03/2002
Posts: 598
Loc: Florida
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Try using Driver Cleaner to remove all of the old nVidia drivers once the drivers are removed reboot. I would then reboot one more time and then try to install the new drivers.
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#285697 - 19/08/2006 14:50
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: Attack]
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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Loc: Helsinki, Finland
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Try using Driver Cleaner to remove all of the old nVidia drivers once the drivers are removed reboot. I would then reboot one more time and then try to install the new drivers.
Thanks for the tip. Tried that just now. Same problem reboot in the middle of installing the new driver. Ugh. I guess I need to replace the video card. I guess I'm in the market for a cheap linux friendly video card now...
I was planning on selling this computer soon so I don't want to invest to much.
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#285698 - 19/08/2006 18:25
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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old hand
Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 804
Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
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The latest Nvidia Windows drivers are horrible (The 90 series). Go back to 84.21 (still on Nvidia's site)
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#285699 - 20/08/2006 13:48
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: Waterman981]
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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Loc: Helsinki, Finland
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The latest Nvidia Windows drivers are horrible (The 90 series). Go back to 84.21 (still on Nvidia's site)
Tried, failed. Same problem. 
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#285700 - 20/08/2006 14:55
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31583
Loc: Seattle, WA
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It's possible you've got a RAM problem. Either the video RAM on the card, or the RAM in the PC. You should check to be sure before dropping the cash on a new video card.
For the PC, burn a MemTest x86 disk. And I think that someone on the board linked a video-card RAM tester once.
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#285701 - 20/08/2006 17:19
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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It's possible you've got a RAM problem. Either the video RAM on the card, or the RAM in the PC. You should check to be sure before dropping the cash on a new video card.
For the PC, burn a MemTest x86 disk. And I think that someone on the board linked a video-card RAM tester once.
Thanks for the help! I ran the MemTestx86 twice through, no errors. The Nvidia memory tester I found requires a password to unzip and the site as well as the readme file are in Russian. Would bad memory cause errors (rendering the card nonfuncional at anything above 640 x 480) in Windows but not Linux? I'm stumped.
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#285702 - 20/08/2006 19:25
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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Registered: 15/02/2002
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I have no idea what the problem is, but I've had similar things happen, and reinstalling Windows "fixed" it.
Does your motherboard have built-in video? If so, try disabling it in the BIOS.
I can't imagine that its anything other than software if it works perfectly well in linux.
One last idea. You can remove the device in the device manager. Somewhere I saw something that gave you an option in the device manager to show all devices, including those that had been installed but aren't installed anymore. You can remove any and all video devices, including those hidden ones, then try reinstalling the driver.
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#285703 - 21/08/2006 17:50
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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Is it possible that Windows is blue screening? I knwo that with many LCDs, they don't switch graphics modes to show a blue screen before XP has moved on with the restart.
Right click on My Computer - Properties. Then go to the Advanced tab, Settings under Startup and Recovery, and uncheck Automaticially Restart.
If it is a blue screen, something on that might show some useful info on tracking it down.
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#285704 - 21/08/2006 18:26
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: TigerJimmy]
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Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
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One last idea. You can remove the device in the device manager. Somewhere I saw something that gave you an option in the device manager to show all devices, including those that had been installed but aren't installed anymore. You can remove any and all video devices, including those hidden ones, then try reinstalling the driver.
From command line:
set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
start devmgmt.msc
Then from with in device manager select "show hidden devices" from some menu.
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#285705 - 21/08/2006 18:34
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: Phoenix42]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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#285706 - 21/08/2006 18:56
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: drakino]
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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Loc: Helsinki, Finland
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Is it possible that Windows is blue screening? I knwo that with many LCDs, they don't switch graphics modes to show a blue screen before XP has moved on with the restart.
Right click on My Computer - Properties. Then go to the Advanced tab, Settings under Startup and Recovery, and uncheck Automaticially Restart.
If it is a blue screen, something on that might show some useful info on tracking it down.
Could be, although I have seen the BSOD before! I'm also now getting SVCHOST errors. I'm really ready to call it quits with this. I'm going to back up and either re-install Windows or just make the whole thing a Linux box. I'll just deal with using the laptop as my only XP machine.
Thing is I don't know how to resize the Linux partiton to take over the whole drive without reformatting the whole drive. Ugh, what a mess. Agh and my printer is only fully supported under XP, its an all in one Canon MP730.
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#285707 - 22/08/2006 00:16
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14486
Loc: Canada
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Thing is I don't know how to resize the Linux partiton to take over the whole drive without reformatting the whole drive
sudo apt-get install qtparted; sudo /usr/sbin/qtparted
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#285708 - 22/08/2006 00:30
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: mlord]
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sudo apt-get install qtparted; sudo /usr/sbin/qtparted
Great thanks!
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#285709 - 22/08/2006 00:41
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14486
Loc: Canada
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sudo apt-get install qtparted; sudo /usr/sbin/qtparted
Great thanks!
Heh.. now you just have to figure out the GUI once qtparted is running.. probably something like "click on the drive", delete the windows partition, then "click on the existing partition", then select "resize" from the menu. Probably. I've only ever done it once, but it did work for me that once!
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Edited by mlord (22/08/2006 00:42)
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#285710 - 22/08/2006 00:44
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14486
Loc: Canada
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Oh, and if it does not work with qtparted, then try "gparted" instead. I have a vague recollection now about some feature or another missing from qtparted, and a little pop-up box telling me so. But my memory is horrible.  Cheers
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#285711 - 22/08/2006 01:17
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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I'm going to give this a whirl sometime this week. I've got to get my things together on the XP side first, all in lovely 640x480. Thanks again.
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#285712 - 24/08/2006 18:56
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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Registered: 02/08/2004
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Loc: Helsinki, Finland
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Well, I have 1280 x 1024 back on windows. I'm need to boot back into windows to grab some e-mail files and on a lark I tried switching over to a higher res before I logged out. It seems with out any drivers installed at all I can access the higher reolutions. The performace is very bad though just scrolling through a web page is choppy. Weird....
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#285713 - 24/08/2006 19:03
Re: Video card works under Kubuntu not XP?
[Re: petteri]
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Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 1049
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There are often two drivers. The two dimensional WDM driver might not be installed. I don't know the details of how this all works. Look for the WDM driver. Maybe someone here can explain what that is and what it does?
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