From Amazon, for one of the earliest Karma orders:

1 of: Rio Karma 20 GB MP3 Player, by Digital Networks N.A.
- Updated shipping estimate: October 1 - October 8
- Updated delivery estimate: October 2 - October 9
At least we've got a real date now.

John
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1998 BMW ///M3 30 GB Mk2a, Tuner, and 10 GB backup