#255535 - 20/05/2005 11:45
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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No one has pointed this out, and maybe it's obvious, but a bluetooth interface on the empeg could potentially mean a nearly unlimited number of serial ports. Certainly more than the additional two or three people would like to see to support a GPS plus Palantir plus an OBD interface, etc.
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#255536 - 23/05/2005 07:30
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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Hey!  OBD interface always triggers my reply function  
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#255537 - 23/05/2005 10:09
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: bjoern]
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#255538 - 23/05/2005 10:32
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Shonky]
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Awesome! If there's anything to test (generic stuff, I don't have a BMW), I have my diagnostic connector handy and a laptop with which I can log all the OBDII stuff; so just let me know.
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#255539 - 23/05/2005 11:51
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: bjoern]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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I'm going to start a new thread on OBD. Here.... (clicky)
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#255540 - 23/05/2005 22:20
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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Note:
The Hijack web page now links to an updated copy of (non-Windows version) download.c which is compatible with these Bluetooth dongles as well as with regular serial ports.
The original download.c choked on the BT connection because it tries to do I/O a single byte at a time.. took a very long time to perform a kernel download that way!
Cheers
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#255541 - 28/05/2005 14:30
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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If there is demand for it I can write a simple mobile application for symbian mobile phones. This would allow to display the actual playlist or to remote controll the empeg. This application should run on any symbian enabled smartphones. (mainly available from nokia)
Another possibility is to write a java application, as java is now supported on most of the new mobile phones. But the experience shows that mobile java code does not work correct on all java supported phones, particularly regarding bluetooth support. (The mobile needs at least to support jsr-82.)
But I only start implementing if there is demand for it. Please state also if you need a symbian or mobile java application.
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#255542 - 28/05/2005 17:05
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: alex25]
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But I only start implementing if there is demand for it. Please state also if you need a symbian or mobile java application.
I would love a java version!
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#255543 - 28/05/2005 17:59
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: julf]
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As a first step I just ordered one of this modules...
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#255544 - 28/05/2005 19:21
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: alex25]
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If there is demand for it I can write a simple mobile application for symbian mobile phones. This would allow to display the actual playlist or to remote controll the empeg. This application should run on any symbian enabled smartphones. (mainly available from nokia)
Any chance of a Symbian one for UIQ?
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#255545 - 24/07/2005 20:35
Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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Hey Mark!
Any changes to Palatir recently?
I'm just updating a bunch of stuff for a road trip, and having any of these (below) would be great:
(1) Palantir over BT.
(2) Search by (partial) track name, nested searches.
Cheers!
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#255546 - 24/07/2005 22:08
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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(1) Palantir over BT.
When is your trip? I have much of the work done on the Palm side, just a few things to work out there, but it is close. The Empeg side will still depend on the ability to insert into /proc/empeg_notify AND read from the serial port at the same time. The Palm stuff should be finishing up this week.
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(2) Search by (partial) track name, nested searches.
Not thought about yet, when the BT stuff gets done I can scope this. I have an idea of how it should be done, though.
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#255547 - 07/09/2005 02:17
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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(1) Palantir over BT.
When is your trip? I have much of the work done on the Palm side, just a few things to work out there, but it is close. The Empeg side will still depend on the ability to insert into /proc/empeg_notify AND read from the serial port at the same time. The Palm stuff should be finishing up this week.
Hm. I dropped the ball on looking at this. I suck.
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#255548 - 07/09/2005 06:49
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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Hey guys,
Its been a couple of months since any real activity on this thread, I'm just wondering whether anyone has any interesting BT apps working? When I get a Treo 650, I am totally going to get one of these dongles.
Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time? Hey, could the Empeg also be paired to the GPS Unit for gpsapp?
Wow, that would be crazy.
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#255549 - 07/09/2005 07:50
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time?
Yes.
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Hey, could the Empeg also be paired to the GPS Unit for gpsapp?
Probably not, all the Bluetooth GPS units I have seen so far will only talk to one device at a time.
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#255550 - 07/09/2005 08:56
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: andy]
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Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time?
Yes.
Sweeet! Thanks Andy.
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#255551 - 07/09/2005 10:33
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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When I get a Treo 650, I am totally going to get one of these dongles.
Are you flying United anytime soon?
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#255552 - 07/09/2005 10:35
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: Daria]
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Hm. I dropped the ball on looking at this. I suck.
Yeah, well, my app isn't complete yet either. I suck at non-work related project deadlines. At least it has been life that got in the way, and some cool life, too (climbing trips, surfing).
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#255553 - 07/09/2005 11:09
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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I never got the dongle to work with the Treo 650's bluetooth DUN, and stopped trying due to life getting otherwise busy.
I also tried the Treo with a Socket OEM bluetooth GPS, and found that both cetus and coto get data briefly and the connection drops. It seems that the Treo's bluetooth is somehow deficient.
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#255554 - 07/09/2005 11:12
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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Hm. I dropped the ball on looking at this. I suck.
Yeah, well, my app isn't complete yet either. I suck at non-work related project deadlines. At least it has been life that got in the way, and some cool life, too (climbing trips, surfing).
Hey, no argument there. I spent much of the summer biking, and while it's only been twice in the last week I'm going to do it again probably tonight. I also relearned how to bake and cook (over the weekend I made chocolate souffles, and last night I made a chocolate cheesecake, and all of this stuff will be being eaten by other people because ...), I lost like 5 pants sizes since May 15, and I've also been helping a friend build a model railroad, something I haven't been able to muster doing myself despite starting on one in the 1990s.
What can I say? Life is good.
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#255555 - 12/04/2006 09:01
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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Do you have a BT hands-free kit in your car? There might be a way to use the Empeg as a caller-id display.
Is this feasable at all? Now that the switch-to-aux feature is working well, it would be great if callerID could be shown on screen.
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#255556 - 12/04/2006 13:45
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: jarob10]
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Hijack provides an easy way to display short messages on the screen, so it all depends on how it would be possible to get that data to the empeg. The only feasible way I can think of is over the serial port.
In what manners would the bluetooth kit be able to provide that data?
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#255557 - 12/04/2006 15:55
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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In what manners would the bluetooth kit be able to provide that data?
I think the idea would be to have an application listening on the serial port of the Empeg, which would be connected to one of these AirCable Bluetooth Adapters. A Bluetooth phone would be paired to this adapter, and an application on the phone would send Caller ID info over this link to the Empeg in a format which it can handle and display.
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#255558 - 12/04/2006 16:13
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: sein]
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The Aircable implements the SPP (Serial Port), DUN (Dial-Up Networking), LAN (Local Area Network) and OBEX Bluetooth profiles. I don't believe that a cell phone will talk to any of those, and I doubt that it would send Caller-ID information on any of them. It normally sends Caller-ID over HFP (Hands Free).
I think you'd have to roll your own Bluetooth doohickey that would listen on HFP for just the Caller-ID info and then spit that out over the serial port. But then you have to ask if the cell phone would support both that and the regular headset/hands-free kit attached at the same time.
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#255559 - 12/04/2006 16:38
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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Most mobile phones have the ability to send the caller ID data over their modem interface which appears as a serial port.
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#255560 - 12/04/2006 17:43
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: tman]
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Hmm. That's a good point. I was thinking of the cell phone initiating a connection to the device, but the device could initiate a connection to the phone. I assume you're talking about the DUN profile, right? Does it present itself as a Hayes modem? If so, that's really easy to interpret.
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#255561 - 12/04/2006 18:21
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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Yeah. All the phones I've tried have understood Hayes commands. I think it appeared as a DUN profile?
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#255562 - 12/04/2006 18:51
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: tman]
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Registered: 12/02/2002
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With sony ericcson phones, it's the serial port profile. The DUN profile is seperate, and I assume different. What I don't know is if you can be connected to the SPP while the phone is connected to the car kit. I know with my Samsung A900, you can't connect to the serial port while it's connected to a car kit.
The easier solution is to just buy a parrot CK3100, which come with a nice screen you can use for caller ID and going through your phone book. Not as elegant, but unless you're going to get the empeg to impliment the HFL profile completely, it's probably a better solution.
Matthew
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#255563 - 29/04/2006 09:46
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time?
Yes.
This is quite an old thread, but I thought I would update it with my experience with this, in case someone reads it later.
I have an Orange UK Treo 650, running the 1.20-ENA firmware. I'm using the Nokia CK-7W bluetooth handsfree kit, and I've also got a Holux GPSlim 236 bluetooth GPS receiver.
With the Treo connected to the handsfree kit (key in the ignition), it will not connect to the GPS receiver. The second you take the key out of the ignition which powers down the handsfree, the GPS works. You can also make the GPS work by turning off Bluetooth and turning it back on again on the Treo.
With the Treo connected to the GPS receiver, it cannot also connect to the handsfree. The light on the car kit button flashes a while and then gives up. Once you turn the GPS off and tap the button on the handsfree to re-establish a connection, it will work again.
I'm not sure whether this one-device-at-a-time behaviour is a PalmOS limitation, or a Bluetooth limitation. I will try things out with my friends Nokia N70 to see whether it acts differently.
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