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#208354 - 07/03/2004 09:31 Stu: A better replacement IDE cable
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
I have just completed a repair on a severely damaged IDE header in a RioCar Mk2a unit. The header was originally soldered on at a tilt, such that one row of 22 pins was not completely flat on its pads -- the typical immediate cause of header failure on Empegs.

But this situation was worse than normal, in that repeated flexing of the header has resulted in several pads (the tissue-thin copper traces) beging completely lifted from the main board -- impossible to reattach. This necessitated running jumper wires from the header pins to locations on the underside of the board to reconnect the broken signals. Four (or was it five?) of those in total. Ugly. Fortunately, they were all "data lines", which are easy to test/diagnose with a customized Hijack kernel.

Having completed this repair, it is obvious to me that the weakened header (having four pins that are not soldered to anything) will in the future continue to flex more and more, and eventually fail again.

Why does it flex? Heat expansion? Sure, a little.

But the main cause of IDE header failure (apart from poor soldering to begin with) is the shock-mounted drive tray. Which moves constantly in response to vibrations in the car, or simply carrying the player by its handle, or whatever.

As the tray floats around, the cable connecting it to the mainboard is pushed and pulled upon, transfering forces to the IDE header. Which will eventually fail as a result.

A large culprit in this scenario is the very short (and therefore stiff) length of ribbon cable between the nearest drive bay and the header -- on a stock Empeg cable this is a very straight and short length, with no allowance for flex.

Sooo.. GET TO THE POINT, MARK!!

Okay, my point is this:

(1) in a single-drive player, connect the single drive to the END of the IDE cable, rather than to the middle connector. This will extend the life of the IDE header considerably, as well as reduce ringing on the signals.

(2) in a dual-drive player, a new cable is needed: a cable with enough extra length (2" or 5cm extra) between the header and the first drive connector, so that the cable can extend up beyond the drive tray, and then be looped back down to connect to that first drive. NOT FOLDED down, but rather LOOPED down. So that it can flex in ths extra loop of cable rather than transfering all movement down to the fragile IDE header.

Soo... Stu, are you listening? You are now the primary source for replacement IDE cables for these players. Yes, a few of us (like me) can make our own cables, but everyone else on this side of the pond (and others outside of N.A.) seems to be sourcing their replacement cables through Eutronix now.

These replacement cables need to be constructed with an extra two inches (5cm) of ribbon cable between the header and the first drive connector, so that a nice gentle LOOP of cable can be left there to absorb some of the drive tray movement.

I'm thinking of offering these enhanced cables for sale here, but frankly you are better positioned for most folks.

Go for it!

Cheers

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#208355 - 07/03/2004 09:38 Re: Stu: A better replacement IDE cable [Re: mlord]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

Sorry, I can't resist. You mean like Hugo recommends here? Granted, you give a much more detailed description of why it is "a good thing". You are also adding a bit more length and changing the style of the fold / loop. I do not know if that added length was added or not.
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#208356 - 07/03/2004 10:01 Re: Stu: A better replacement IDE cable [Re: pgrzelak]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
No, way beyond what Hugo recommended -- though even 1cm would help some with this defect. And definitely different from what Stu currently provides.

Cheers

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#208357 - 07/03/2004 22:50 Re: Stu: A better replacement IDE cable [Re: mlord]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
Funny timing that you mention this right now. I just put my spare back together and noticed the drive sled was REALLY held back by the length of the drive cable. Restricted so much that I had to push the stock-drive-side of the sled toward the display more than I wanted in order to screw it in place.

Now, that's my spare, an 0301***** (newer) MK2a. My everyday empeg, an 0101***** (older) MK2a has acceptable travel in every direction. I've noticed a few other differences between these two units (handle springs different tension, newer used threadlock on hex screws, new has "lighter weight" handle, and more). I wonder if these are evolutions in the manufacturering process or if, eh, every unit is different regardless of date.

Regardless, I need a new set of screws and a new drive cable for that bugger. And you know what else would be nice? A round display cable. I have to precision fold that JUST right every time I take out my drive tray, or else it gets caught up on the drives. Round and a little longer so it could hang out somewhere else in the case.
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#208358 - 07/03/2004 23:16 Re: Stu: A better replacement IDE cable [Re: mlord]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1649
Loc: Louisiana, USA
Message received! We'll offer the extra 2 inches as a no cost option. We just need to set up a couple pieces of our templates for the extra length. Thanks Mark. I don't relish the thought of doing a repair like you did!

Stu
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