... that's exactly why i haven't installed empacman, emptris, or most of the other third party apps... digging up the info on how to do it just wasn't worth the 5 minute wow factor after it was done.

Ditto. The wow-factor apps have to be super easy to get wide-spread usage. The things I have actually bothered to install were things like web interface and empVNC that are more utilitarian.

On a side note, that may be the "killer feature" that would get me to switch to jEmplode permanently.