i'd like to discuss a tangent if you will... is there anything stopping us using empire and ptelnet for palm to give us a terminal shell? does there have to be a middle-man api for obex, or does empire take care of this already? i messed around witht the getty way, but it requires manual commands, which defeats the purpose. my treo300 would be perfect for this kind of thing. can't even imagine the possibilities this could mean with tcpdump. truly portable sniffer, and instead of telneting in thru tcp/ip, only need a palm to control it.