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#253503 - 05/04/2005 15:38 Domain Registry of America
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5682
Loc: London, UK
I got in after work this evening to discover 4 letters addressed to me, from the "Domain Registry of America", each labelled "Domain Name Expiration Notice".

Each letter made claim to be notifying me of a domain name registration "due to expire in the next few months".

Interestingly, I don't recall registering these domains (I use eNom). Each domain name is the .info equivalent of one I do own. For example, I own differentpla.net, and one of the letters refers to differentpla.info.

However, when I issue a whois query, it turns out that these .info domains are registered to me.

I know that DRoA are a bunch of scumbags -- they've already been in trouble before.

Should I be concerned? Ordinarily, I'd just ignore these letters. Should I send them to someone? Should I worry about the fact that I appear to own 4 domains that I've not asked/paid for?
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#253504 - 05/04/2005 15:53 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3583
Loc: Columbus, OH
Just ignore them...I've gotten those too. They're a scam to get you to pay for more domain names.

I found this quote interesting:
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DROA is a reseller of domain name registration services for a company called eNom, Inc. (eNom), an accredited registrar of internet domain names, but its doubtful practices were known for a while.


Maybe it's time to switch registrars?
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#253505 - 05/04/2005 15:55 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
cushman
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Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
Wow, that's a new one, I've gotten the spam "Your domain is about to expire" from 5 or so competing registrars, but haven't had anything like that happen to me yet. I would probably ignore it, it seems like another scam to me. Just watch your credit report.
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#253506 - 05/04/2005 16:03 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
Wow, that's pretty damn underhanded. I can't stand these things either. I get them in email and standard mail form, and I seem to be getting them in standard mail from the same company. Whoever they are, they always send me a letter saying two things: my domain registry will expire soon, and I can register with them for $25 a year! I always find it funny that they always send this letter about 8 months before that domain will expire, and I currently pay $15 a year. But hey! Maybe I should do it!

What a waste of paper...
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#253507 - 05/04/2005 16:50 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: JBjorgen]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5682
Loc: London, UK
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Maybe it's time to switch registrars?


I've sent a support email to eNom complaining about this. I've pointed out that if they don't confirm that they're no longer associated with DRoA, I'll be moving my domains elsewhere.
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#253508 - 05/04/2005 17:09 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I would continue to suggest Gandi. I've used them for many years now. When I started, they were very inexpensive, somewhat less so now (12 Euros), but I've never once had them do anything untoward. Beyond sending me a couple of emails when my registrations are up for renewal, I never hear from them in any way.
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#253509 - 05/04/2005 20:04 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
David
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Registered: 05/05/2000
Posts: 623
Loc: Cambridge
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don't confirm that they're no longer associated with DRoA

The differentpla.info address was registered by Sipence, Inc. who are at the same address as eNom.

Googling for Sipence returns plenty of references to them buying up .info domains for the .com equivalents owned by eNom customers.


Edited by David (05/04/2005 20:17)

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#253510 - 05/04/2005 20:15 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Wow, now domain companies are squating on names they know you'd want. It was bad enough when it was just some a-hole at his PC, now it's corporate policy.
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#253511 - 05/04/2005 20:16 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: Roger]
SonicSnoop
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Registered: 29/06/2002
Posts: 531
Loc: Triangle, VA
I have a domain with enom as well, and I got that same letter in the mail. I just threw it away cause I didnt have it.
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#253512 - 05/04/2005 20:28 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: David]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
differentpla.info doesn't sound quite right

It's a bit contraversal of them to register extra versions of your domains...

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#253513 - 05/04/2005 23:20 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: tman]
PaulWay
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Registered: 03/08/1999
Posts: 451
Loc: Canberra, Australia
You know, I wonder if you could take them to court for domain squatting... Especially if they're claiming that the domain is registered in your name, that would be theft of your property.

I'm sure you could, but I'm also sure that it would need someone with money to care enough to hire the lawyers. But if you could get a class action suit, I'm sure it would work.

This reminds me of the guy who cashed one of those "this cheque could be yours if you win our sweepstakes" cheques. The company tried to put him through the wringer in all sorts of ways but couldn't actually legally do anything about it. If I remember the story rightly, he ended up giving the money back just because if they finally found any way to get it back and he'd actually used any of it then he'd really be in deep marketing. Taking DNoA to court would probably be similar - they'd try to harass you in all sorts of quasi-legal ways until you coughed up one way or another. They wouldn't be able to stand the bad publicity, never mind the loss of money.

Oh well...

Paul, who feels that the fundamental problem with the world is that ethics is now a purchasable commodity.
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#253514 - 06/04/2005 00:15 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: PaulWay]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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They wouldn't be able to stand the bad publicity, never mind the loss of money.

We talking about the some DNoA here? They're the same people that sent out very carefully worded domain renewals which gave the impression that your domains were actually registered with them.

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#253515 - 06/04/2005 01:05 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: PaulWay]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31572
Loc: Seattle, WA
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This reminds me of the guy who cashed one of those "this cheque could be yours if you win our sweepstakes" cheques. The company tried to put him through the wringer in all sorts of ways but couldn't actually legally do anything about it.

You might be thinking of the story told at Man 1 Bank 0. The real problem wasn't with the company that put out the junk check, it was with the bank that cashed it. Definitely an interesting read, though.
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#253516 - 06/04/2005 04:23 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: David]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5682
Loc: London, UK
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The differentpla.info address...


I got a response from eNom -- they registered these names to me, for free, as part of a promotion last year. I can activate/drop them by clicking on something in the eNom control panel.

Since I don't want them, I'll be leaving them to lapse.

As for the DRoA thing, eNom say:

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While DROA can register new names with eNom, we do not allow them to use our credentials for transfers, just so you know.
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#253517 - 07/04/2005 22:55 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
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Wow, now domain companies are squating on names they know you'd want.

Ha, they think we actually *want* .info domains? I consider .info and .biz to be entirely .spam and refuse to visit sites in those TLD's. If I had my way, I'd block those TLD's at every firewall I could get my hands on. But I'm a little over-active that way.

But this reminds me of an icky thread I wanted to post...
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#253518 - 07/04/2005 22:59 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: FireFox31]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
.info and .biz were supposed to be the next big thing and there was that massive grab for them at the beginning. Nobody really cares now it seems

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#253519 - 08/04/2005 00:03 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: tman]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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.info and .biz were supposed to be the next big thing and there was that massive grab for them at the beginning. Nobody really cares now it seems

You mean empeg.info is worthless? Damn, I was going to retire on that one.
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#253520 - 08/04/2005 00:26 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: tfabris]
PaulWay
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Registered: 03/08/1999
Posts: 451
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Sorry, yes, bank not company. The point here is that these companies can and harass people in many ways, some more obnoxious and difficult to counter than others, if they think that they're going to get their money and/or property back. And you only have to look at the stupidity ICANN is going through with the .net domain registrar process to realise that the business of domain names is just as sticky and murky as any other.

As an aside, I often wonder one things about that Man 1 Bank 0 story. Firstly, why the second bank refused to honour the cheque the first bank had credited. It was a legal instrument and everything in the story confirms this. Though I wished Patrick had got a lawyer and fought (and, almost certainly, won the right to his ~$95,000), I can understand him not wanting to go through the hassle, especially if he can't pay a lawyer up front.

And this is why the legal system is blatantly unfair.

Paul
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#253521 - 08/04/2005 12:15 Re: Domain Registry of America [Re: robricc]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3583
Loc: Columbus, OH
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You mean empeg.info is worthless? Damn, I was going to retire on that one


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