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#3538 - 06/01/2000 14:55 Lines on display?
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
The pixels of my Empeg's display are not uniformly bright. There seem to be horizontal bands that are dimmer than the rest of the display. It can be seen on some of the visualizations that print large areas of solid white pixels. Is this normal?

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#3539 - 06/01/2000 16:06 Re: Lines on display? [Re: tfabris]
Liufeng
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Registered: 14/09/1999
Posts: 149
Loc: Alaska
I don't think that is normal. Mine doesn't do that and I've not seen anything like that happen.

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#3540 - 06/01/2000 17:32 Re: Lines on display? [Re: Liufeng]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
They're not really DARK lines or anything. Just faintly dimmer than the others. It's so subtle that you don't notice it unless you have a frozen vis that's made of mostly smooth white pixels. Attached is a .GIF file that approximates what I'm talking about.

It looks like the kind of thing where one might say "Oh, that's just normal for that kind of display". It's been there since I got the unit, so it's not like it's something that's cropped up recently or anything.

Look at the .GIF file and tell me whether your display looks like that.

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#3541 - 07/01/2000 00:56 Re: Lines on display? [Re: tfabris]
jfranke
member

Registered: 09/06/1999
Posts: 124
Same here. I was wondering about the same question, but since it's not distrubing in any way i don't care.

J.


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#3542 - 07/01/2000 06:42 Re: Lines on display? [Re: tfabris]
schofiel
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Hmmmm.... given that you said yours was bought second hand, and you have mentioned your display appears to be a bit "cocked", this makes me wonder if you haven't got some subtle damage here. I have just checked mine and I have no visible banding on the same visual; is anyone else seeing this?

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#3543 - 07/01/2000 07:56 Re: Lines on display? [Re: schofiel]
Dearing
addict

Registered: 22/07/1999
Posts: 453
Loc: Florida
Yes, I have the banding, too. But, like others, I didn't (don't) think it's a real problem, just a side-effect of the type of screen used.


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#3544 - 07/01/2000 10:29 Re: Lines on display? [Re: Dearing]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA

Thanks, Dearing and Jfranke. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't the only one. Like I said, it's not a problem.

Although the post by Schofiel seems to indicate that there is a such thing as a perfect display. I hope I haven't opened a can of worms, here...






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#3545 - 07/01/2000 15:26 Bright columns on display [Re: tfabris]
Verement
journeyman

Registered: 02/09/1999
Posts: 97
Loc: Boston, MA, US
I was going to mention this at some point, but on my unit, there are occasions when a vertical band or two of pixels on the far right side of the display are extremely bright when compared to the rest of the display. It is most obvious when the hard drive icon appears.

The strange thing is that this only happens sometimes. Most of the time, the display is "normal". In fact, I can usually make the bright pixels return to normal by resetting the unit (by removing power).

-v


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#3546 - 08/01/2000 10:26 Re: Bright columns on display [Re: Verement]
jason
stranger

Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 28
I had/have this same problem. At first I thought my display had died... but a power cycle "fixed" it.

I immediately mailed empeg, and Hugo explained it was a known bug. I'm not sure if it's acceptable
to repost his mail to me, but the gist of it was that he knows it has something to do with the display
PIC losing track of where the start of the fame is. He also said that he's only seen the problem three
times himself (and gave me the impression he hadn't gotten any other reports at that time) so hadn't
been able to reliably reproduce it for debugging.

That response was enough for me, just to know that it wasn't an indicator of premature display failure.
I was very worried it was a hardware problem and was happy to hear it was just a software bug.
I don't expect to have it fixed, since this kind of problem isn't necessarily field upgradable (removing
the PIC from the display board and reprogramming it) for most people.

I saw the problem 6 weeks ago, and haven't seen it since, despite using the empeg for many hours a
day, every day. If the problem does show up again, I know a reboot will fix it. IMHO, this puts it in the
class of "minor annoyance".

Let me publicly thank Hugo and the empeg crew for their honesty about disclosing the existence of
such problems, and the promptness of their responses to customers.

-j


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#3547 - 08/01/2000 18:16 Re: Lines on display? [Re: tfabris]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
That's just perfectly normal for this kind of display :-)

As someone already pointed out, the bright bar at the side thing is a known bug which occurs rarely.

Rob



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#3548 - 09/01/2000 12:50 Re: Bright columns on display [Re: Verement]
dionysus
veteran

Registered: 16/06/1999
Posts: 1222
Loc: San Francisco, CA
...for the record, the two most outter right pixel rows on my unit are usually bright...
-mark

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#3549 - 16/01/2000 12:52 Re: Lines on display? [Re: tfabris]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
All displays have banding, which is a variable in the display manufacture: some are better than others, but all are within spec of the manufacturer. We did bring up the issue with the display suppliers, who assured us that the variability seen is within tolerances. The darker lines are areas underneath the filament heater wires.

Hugo



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#3550 - 16/01/2000 13:07 Re: Lines on display? [Re: altman]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA

Ah, thanks Hugo.

The VFD kicks arse, lines or no lines. I'm glad you guys went with it instead of LCD.

The thing is so bright that it bothers my wife when we're driving at night. Now that's a bright display.


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