I will also buy the Karma, and will support future RIO players as well, but you cant knock the IPOD. It is a very impressive unit technically and physically. Remember, the RIO line of products have always been rather expensive. Its not exactly a bargain compared to the IPOD, even tho its packed with cool features, only the more hardcore and technical users like us will appreciate it. I dont think they will ever capture the #1 at their price point. All that being said.. I cant wait till the Karma comes out, im drooling with cash in hand!

brian