OK ok ok. XP may not be crap, I just haven't played around with it enough to give it a real shot. It just turns me off that I have to spend 30 minutes every time I sit at one just to make it not look totally silly. Plus I hate the way the networking works. Plus hate the whole concept of step back x days as a fix option. Plus I hate that to use a 2k printer, the user has to have admin rights on the 2k box. At least on the one network I set up it did. It was the only way I could get it to work. It's getting to the point that linx is easier to administer. It may be complex to set up, but at least it makes sense. And when you make a change, the changes stick. I'm sorry to gripe, I'm just sleep deprived and ornery. Besides, the computer I'm working on has symantec NIS installed and it's total shite too. Everytime you install it the autoupdate fails. Blech. I'm going to get a job working at a doughnut shop or something. I'm sick of thinking and beating my head on my desk.