If I am not mistaken didn't you get your's for free as a beta tester? If I got mine for free I would love it too. However I just pad $434 (with tax) Sure, the Karma is worth maybe $199. Definity not $400+.

Also, I hate when someone is part of the development process of something and counters every complaint when everyone is complaining (check the other forums). However as a User Interface developer, when I work on something day after day I get really used to something even though it may not make any sense to an untrained user.

There is a reason the ipod has won award after award for its design. Even my grandmother could pick it up and play. Apple did some serious user testing that I think Rio forgot. How many unsure computer users were involved in the beta program. How many 50+ people? Every day on the subway I see numerous people with ipods. I see no one with Archos jukeboxes. I REALLY see no one with Rio Riots.

-eric