yes.. some people just don't apreciate the car audio industry, octobrX may not know car audio (he doesn't) and he may not be the best linux admin I know.. but he _is_ a good artist, and web designer. I've known him online for a while now, and his work with themes.org is nothing to sneeze at.

12gig red mk2 -- 080000125
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80gig red mk2 -- 080000125
(No, I don't actually hate Alan Cox)