It's all about the cost really Phil...I've got it in my head that if I'm up around 400 bucks I'll just put together a car PC and have something more than just an MP3 store and play system....yes I know a car PC is not as unique or as "culty" as an empeg but all I want to do is listen to some of my tunes in the car. I'm not a diehard car stereo buff by any means either I mean I've been getting by with the factory CD changer unit in my 96 Saturn SL2 since new but the kids got me into the MP3 thing with this 1gig RCA Lyra (RD2317) so here I am looking to spend money when I shouldn't be...lol...just thinking about it I have not had an after market car stereo since about 1996 when my high powered sony setup got ripped out of my little Suzuki Swift.