I'm not dissing it! The Phatbox people themselves know their box isn't as nice as an empeg, but on the other hand there are a lot of people out there who will pay $600 for a HD-based cd-changer replacement who wouldn't shell out $1200 for the (imho ;) ) superior empeg unit.

I can see no problem with the two players co-existing happily and not really interfering with each other: come on, these are the only two HDD-based in-car mp3 players even near the market that address the problem at hand in a sensible fashion - I don't think the market is overly crowded :)

Hugo