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#100537 - 20/06/2002 17:44 With real needles and a GloFET!
n6mod
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Registered: 27/09/1999
Posts: 200
Loc: Berkeley, CA
OK, I've seen it all. MP3 CD player with...wait for it...mechanical VU meters and a vacuum tube preamp.

I have no idea why, but I want one of these.

http://www.mci.panasonic.co.jp/aced/audio/products/2DIN/CQ-TX5500D.html
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#100538 - 20/06/2002 17:47 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: n6mod]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Whoa, that is rather cool. In a strange "wrong" kind of way, but it's cool.
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#100539 - 20/06/2002 18:09 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: tfabris]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Oh WOW! That is twisted!!! I want one!!! It is just so utterly wrong!!!

Stereophile.com review.


Edited by pgrzelak (20/06/2002 18:15)
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#100540 - 20/06/2002 18:26 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: n6mod]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
It would match my gold Yamaha receiver
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#100541 - 20/06/2002 22:20 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: n6mod]
msaeger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
how can I fit a double din and the empeg in my dash

did anyone check out the link to the tube motherboard
http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1368
I don't know which one is more crazy
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#100542 - 21/06/2002 03:16 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: msaeger]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Greetings!

Yes, indeed. I like the one where a true P4 motherboard would be the size of a football field...
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#100543 - 21/06/2002 11:02 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: n6mod]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
So SonicBlue claims there is no lucrative market for aftermarket car stereo components, yet Matsushita (a *bit* more of a technology leader than SonicBlue) is releasing a frickin' TUBE AMPLIFIED in-car MP3 player for about what 10GB RioCars were going for even before the price slash. I have a difficult time believing the empeg market is more of a niche than this goofy thing.
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#100544 - 21/06/2002 12:21 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: tonyc]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
No, we said there was no lucrative market for _us_ in car audio. If we were Matsushita we'd have the channels to shift stuff like that. Even then, don't think for one minute they will sell more than a handful of them (outside of Japan anyway) - it's about publicity.

If you know anyone in the trade, check out the car audio market segment reports. Take a look at how many car stereos over $1000 are sold in the US each year and I think you will be very surprised (and our market share starts to look pretty good!).

Rob

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#100545 - 21/06/2002 13:40 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: rob]
justinlarsen
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Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 1109
Loc: Petaluma, CA
ya japan dosnt count they buy everything
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#100546 - 24/06/2002 13:29 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: msaeger]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
"The board has four AGP slots..."

I can't quite figure why you'd need four AGP slots, perhaps they meant a 4X AGP slot. ;-P

-Zeke
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#100547 - 24/06/2002 14:27 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: Ezekiel]
ElectricD7
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Registered: 31/01/2002
Posts: 135
Loc: Indiana, USA
We actually have a machine at work that has 4 video cards, though I think they are PCI and not AGP.
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#100548 - 28/06/2002 10:57 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: Ezekiel]
eternalsun
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Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
Are you kidding! I would LOVE to have AGP slots. I hate the fact that PCI has low video performance. On my multi monitor setup, I have one monitor (AGP connected) that has excellent performance, the other one is a dog.

Calvin

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#100549 - 30/06/2002 03:19 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: eternalsun]
justinlarsen
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Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 1109
Loc: Petaluma, CA
speaking of which,i knwo a lil off topic, i have an agp dual output card, works great for 2 monitors, i also have a pci video card, and another mopnitor i would love to hook into the setup, is this possible? I have plugged the card into the computer but windows just gives it an error.
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#100550 - 01/07/2002 11:54 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: justinlarsen]
eternalsun
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Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
Yes it's possible. Put in the PCI card. Go into your BIOS settings and look for a place that sets the first card to initialize PCI or AGP. Set PCI. In order for Windows to "get it" PCI has to be the "first" card it finds. Then it will boot through to windows, on the desktop settings, set the AGP monitor(s) to be the primary and you're all set.

Calvin

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#100551 - 09/07/2002 21:20 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: eternalsun]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
I was joking because I don't know of any machine anywhere (he says as he ducks) that's got more than one AGP slot. They come in 1X, 2X and 4X varieties depending on the supported data rate. Hence the '4 AGP' slot confusion for the poor analog guy who wrote the fluff piece. They are a big step up from PCI cards. I don't think that many companies even offer PCI cards anymore, at least none at my local computer shop a couple of years ago.

-Zeke
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#100552 - 10/07/2002 16:32 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: Ezekiel]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
PCI video cards are still pretty plentiful at stores here, and most of it is due to machines without AGP slots. Only recently did Intel really start pressuring motherboard makers to toss in an AGP slot on all boards, so many cheap computers with integrated video didn't have AGP slots.

I'm still bitter over AGP. Yes, having a dedicated bus for the video is awesome, but PCI technology in home machines is suffering stagnation. Instead of AGP, I would have preferred a dual bus PCI setup, with at least one 64 bit 66mhz slot for video. Thats probably enough to take care of video card demands on the system, and with the advantage that if integrated video was used, an extra slot would be free. I see no reason to have a special slot for add in cards for any reason beyond the reasoning of PCI-ES.

(And before someone asks...)
PCI-ES is a standard for array controllers. Instead of having the controller contain the SCSI cable connectors, the motherboard has them. Why is this useful? Well, all PCI-ES systems have two of these slots, allowing for redundant array controllers with no need to swap cables or mess with duplexing on the back of the drive cage. The slot is rather complex, it has enough pins to connect the PCI 64 bit part, plus 3 68 pin SCSI connectors. It's longer then 64 bit slots, and is also two layers deep, similar to AGP cards, but not staggered.

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#100553 - 11/07/2002 14:38 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: drakino]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
Well, I do live a bit out in the sticks, that's for certain. The PCI-ES sounds pretty wild, never heard of it before (not having had anything to do with arrays at my tiny 20 person company).

I suppose the on-board video on desktop machines will keep the PCI vid card market alive and well for the forseeable future. Your're right though, PCI cards available seem to lack depth of choice at the high end of the performace spectrum.

-Zeke
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#100554 - 11/07/2002 21:08 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: drakino]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Just in case you missed it....

There is an AGP to PCI adapter card I first saw over at Akiba PC Hotline (of course). With all these SV24-type machines coming out with only a PCI slot, I guess this thing has a market. You have to use a low profile AGP card, but there are more of those to choose from than AGP cards.

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#100555 - 12/07/2002 04:29 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: robricc]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
Okay, that's just WRONG. In SO many ways.
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#100556 - 12/07/2002 16:35 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: robricc]
Shonky
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Ever seen the opposite? I need a PCI video card (for multi monitors) and they're pretty rare on the ground these days. a PCI slot to AGP adapter could be useful.
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#100557 - 12/07/2002 17:06 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: Shonky]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
That's what that is. Turns a low profile AGP card into PCI.
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#100558 - 12/07/2002 17:10 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: robricc]
Shonky
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Duh! For some reason I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'll just shut up now. Too much coding last night
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#100559 - 12/07/2002 17:21 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: Shonky]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
That's OK.

I don't know where you would be able to buy one outside Japan though.
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#100560 - 20/07/2002 15:17 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: Shonky]
AndrewT
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
The Matrox G200 MMS might suit your needs?

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#100561 - 20/07/2002 22:51 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: AndrewT]
Shonky
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Thanks Rue, looks pretty cool but I've found a PCI TNT2 pretty cheap that will do the job just fine - I only need 2D just so I can run a second desktop monitor.
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#100562 - 22/08/2002 08:41 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: tonyc]
unsquare
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Registered: 22/02/2002
Posts: 55
Loc: Rignt here
I've heard from a little birdy to expect a new car product from SB within a year. Something that is "more user-friendly".
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#100563 - 22/08/2002 09:18 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: unsquare]
tonyc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
..."more user-friendly"

Bah... I don't generally listen to little birdies on the internet anyway, but even if this is true, I'm not all that excited. "More user friendly" equals less geek-friendly, less hackable, less upgradable. All of the things that SB sees as "problems" with the empeg/riocar product are the things that I cherish about it.

The way I see it, the empeg is almost immune to planned obsolescence... Who needs another car product?
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#100564 - 22/08/2002 09:24 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: tonyc]
unsquare
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Registered: 22/02/2002
Posts: 55
Loc: Rignt here
This little birdy wasn't on the internet...but I agree with you...especially when we have folks like Schrag making jemplode what it is.
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#100565 - 22/08/2002 09:29 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: tonyc]
music
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Registered: 25/06/2002
Posts: 456
The way I see it, the empeg is almost immune to planned obsolescence... Who needs another car product?

Well, the slow file transfer (i.e., non-firewire) and black-and-white display
might eventually become annoying to some and make the unit seem dated.
Other than that, I agree. Many of us might still be using this unit a decade
down the road. (Plus I actually prefer black-and-white to a poorly-done
gaudy color interface for car use.)


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#100566 - 22/08/2002 09:32 Re: With real needles and a GloFET! [Re: unsquare]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31563
Loc: Seattle, WA
I've heard from a little birdy to expect a new car product from SB within a year.

Gee, I wish I had birdys talking to me like that. None of my local fowl have said anything to me along those lines.
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