That would be +14 degrees Fahrenheit. F = 9/5C +32 or... C=5/9(F-32) Remember these formulas, Tee -- there will be a pop quiz next week.

But I've got you way beat. Coldest I ever rode (on a BMW R26, a 250cc single cylinder bike) was minus 68 Fahrenheit, or minus 55.5 degrees Celsius.

I regularly ride my bicycle at temperatures down to minus forty degrees (same both Fahrenheit and Celsius, but you probably already knew that...)

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

There are ways to estimate horsepower for standard street cars by looking at the ET and the trap speed and working backwards. The formula will give you a estimated horsepower at the wheels, and then using back of the envelope guestimation to get the drivetrain and fluidic losses, you can work out the horsepower generated at the crank. However, those formulas don't apply to top fuel cars because their drive train is designed to slip continuously all the way down the track. That means you can estimate a horsepower number to the wheels, however, the actual power generated at the crank is completely unknown because most of that power is simply converted to heat as the clutch packs slip and burn away.

Calvin

Where are you living at??!? That is very low temperature!! (Or is the formula you have wrong?)
Hard to believe that you drove at such temperatures! I was totally freezing at minus 10 degrees celsius.

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

The racers among us would love to drive at such low temperatures. It would be awesome to build a drag strip where it's that cold. The air density and temperature is just perfect for crazy hiked up forced induction runs.

Calvin

Might be a slight ;) traction problem at that temperature if its not snowing by then.


Alex Lear

At those temperatures the snow and ice is so cold that it isn't slippery anymore. :|

Reg_2845 Mark 1 #00173, Mark 2 on order.

I don't believe this. Just think to some documentations. Penguins walking on ice and slipping around..

TeeMcBee
Reg#948 - already ordered a Mk2.

Liufeng is right about the snow and ice not being slippery anymore at those temperatures however just to educate, snow and ice has a lower coefficient of friction to the rubber tire than the road does.


Alex Lear

Where are you living at?

Fairbanks, Alaska.

Or is the formula you have wrong?

Nope. Formula is right.

I was totally freezing at minus 10 degrees celsius.

You have to dress for it. I imagine that we are better prepared in Alaska than you might be down there in wine country... Oh, wait a minute, I just assumed you were living in France because you are driving a Peugeot, and I can't imagine anybody from any other country in the world inflicting that upon themselves... Am I wrong?

Anyway, at those temperatures, you leave no skin exposed anywhere, and dress in enough layers to reduce wind chill but still allow enough breathability for perspiration to escape. The hard part is keeping the bike running (either motorcycle or bicycle) An air-cooled engine is most unhappy at those temperatures -- the cylinders and cylinder heads over-cool, causing the excessively rich fuel mixtures (required by the dense air) to condense on the cylinder walls, diluting the oil and eventually ruining the engine. On bicycles, you have to remove every trace of lubricant from all cables and derailleurs, and from the freewheel (else it freewheels in both directions!) and replace the grease in the wheel bearings and crankset with the lightest synthetic grease you can find. Even so, the rolling resistance increases dramatically (the tires do not flex well at that temperature) and the riding effort for a given speed is probably more than doubled.

(From Liufeng's post...) At those temperatures the snow and ice is so cold that it isn't slippery anymore.

What I think Tom meant to say here is that it isn't AS slippery anymore -- but as the tires get colder, so does their coefficient of friction, so you still slip and slide, just not as much as you would at 25 above zero (about -4 degrees Celsius). Of course the ice fog at those temperatures is so thick that nobody drives fast enough for it to matter much in any case...

You don't have to be crazy to live here.... but it sure helps.

tanstaafl.




"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Brrr.. Really pretty cold there.

You have to dress for it. I imagine that we are better prepared in Alaska than you might be down there in wine country... Oh, wait a
minute, I just assumed you were living in France because you are driving a Peugeot, and I can't imagine anybody from any other
country in the world inflicting that upon themselves... Am I wrong?

I'm not living in France.I just like the shape of the car. (Take a look here if you want to know how it looks.) I think Pinifarina (who designes for Ferrari, too) had something to do with the design of the 406 and 406 Coupé.
And it has a good relationship between price and what you get for that price. (Although I think that it's not your main point of interest if some cars have air-condition included or not )


TeeMcBee
Go my Mk2! # 080000143

Slipperyness is caused by the heat or pressure on ice, this results in the contact points on the ice and whatever material melting. So what happens is a thin layer of water forms between the tires and the ice and this causes the slipping. If the temperature is low enough then it'll take greater and greater amounts of pressure to melt the contact point :).

Calvin

Traction? Not a problem. What you need to drive is a 300hp all wheel drive sports car like my aquaintence Shawn:

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/HobbyCt/awdturbo/GGBridge.html

Ice, snow? no problem...

Calvin

I'm not living in France.

So where are you, Tee? They don't sell Peugeots in the U.S., so I am guessing it's somewhere in Europe. (You left your "Location" field blank in the user profile of the bbs)

I just like the shape of the car.

I have to admit that the 406 station wagon is a nice looking car. (The others are pretty average looking, IMHO) Didn't you say somewhere that you are driving a Peugeot Limousine? What is it like? That website appears to be broken, BTW -- it comes up all right, but without scroll bars so all I can do is look at part of the one page.

Although I think that it's not your main point of interest if some cars have air-condition included or not

Actually, you'd be suprised, it gets quite warm here in the summertime -- temperatures as high as the mid to high 90's Fahrenheit (say 35 degrees C) and I am getting ready to spend some significant money to repair my air conditioning now. (Blew a seal on my compressor two weeks ago.)

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Wow! those are peugot's? Wow! They've really changed those designs alot!

By the way, when I visited Europe, I saw alot of Peugot's in Britain as well as France (just fewer of them).

But none of the ones I saw looked like that.

DiGNAN
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So where are you, Tee? They don't sell Peugeots in the U.S., so I am guessing it's somewhere in Europe. (You left your "Location" field blank in the user profile of the bbs)

Yep - I'm in Europe. Is that exactly enough?

I have to admit that the 406 station wagon is a nice looking car. (The others are pretty average looking, IMHO) Didn't you say somewhere that you are driving a Peugeot Limousine? What is it like? That website appears to be broken, BTW -- it comes up all right, but without scroll bars so all I can do is look at part of the one page.

Hmmm... then try to go to the main page of peugeot and follow the links..

TeeMcBee
Got my Mk2! # 080000143

Hmmm... then try to go to the main page of peugeot and follow the links..

I'd follow them...if I spoke French

DiGNAN
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Okay, dope-slap time. I didn't see the "English Version" link at the top. Duh

DiGNAN
13653

Hehe, look at the ad for their concept SUV, the "Escapade". I like the blurb that says "in the wild west, where the buffalo roam". Funny, considering they don't even sell in the states. (unless they have buffalo in western Europe)

DiGNAN
13653

You are such a wagon guy!

Calvin

You are such a wagon guy!

You are correct. The first station wagon I ever had happened because the piece-of-junk Plymouth Horizon I was driving caught fire and burned right down to the wheels -- tires and all. Only place still open that night that had any used cars for sale was the local Ford dealer, only car they had in my price range (<$2500) was a Chevy Cavalier wagon. I didn't even test drive it -- just counted the wheels (it had all four) and wrote the man a check and drove it home.

The thing turned out to be so incredibly handy, with four doors and all that room in the back, that I've never owned any other kind of car since.

Besides, I think the Taurus wagon looks kinda neat! Police never give it a second glance, even when being driven at extralegal speeds. No self-respecting thief would ever steal one, and nobody would ever think to break into one looking to steal a hot stereo.

Audi has a new wagon out that I'd like, too...

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I have a '94 Grand Prix that I think is invisible to cops. Its like they look right through it looking for speeders. Of course, I don't think other drivers can see it either, considering how many people try to merge into me.

I agree! I happen to love minivans, actually, which is odd for a 20 year old!

I just love all that room and plenty of people+cargo capacity. I can carry 7 people (6 others) and all their luggage and do it comfortably. I love it!

And my new one is fantastic. I've got a Honda Odyssey and woah boy does it zip!

I like wagons too, though, but I never had one and neither did my parents (actually, at two separate times my dad has owned a used Mercedes and a pinto -- so he's been all over the spectrum! ).

DiGNAN
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Heh, there are quite a few of those over here, along with a number of ZX12-R's and a number of Honda SP-1's...
Shame the maximum island speed limit is 35 miles an hour... =)

(For the record, my mate has a GSXR 750 with about 140 bhp (120 at the back wheel) from a standard 750cc engine, does about 170mph and 0-60 in sub 3 seconds... =)

Jazz
(List 112, Mk2 12 gig #40. Mk1 4 gig #30. Mk3 1.6 16v)

I agree putting all the power down is a bit difficult, however there are ways to make it easier...
My mate had a bandit 1200, which for 'environmental' reasons had it's power slightly reduced in 1st and 2nd gear (Apparently), and the GSXR 750 does 70mph in 1st gear, with the main kick of power coming in at 40-50mph, so not such a big problem... =)

Jazz
(List 112, Mk2 12 gig #40. Mk1 4 gig #30. Mk3 1.6 16v)

Mitsubishi Eclipse!! That's a wussy car! :) Get a proper car like mine! :) http://www.macdude.co.uk/

M

But I don't have an Eclipse, must have me confused with somebody else... =)

Jazz
(List 112, Mk2 12 gig #40. Mk1 4 gig #30. Mk3 1.6 16v)

Get a proper car like mine! :) http://www.macdude.co.uk/

Are you saying that you got a domain name for the sole purpose of posting 4 pictures of your car (one which is broken)?

DiGNAN
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Errr, where in my post did I say that? Ohh, and it does work - there's something wrong my service provider. You have to right click and hit load image! :) Weird. Those pics are up there temporarily cos so many people ask for a look. It's easier that way :)

I will be developing something much more interesting when time allows - trouble is, Internet development is my day job too so going home and doing more can be a little tedious.

M

It's an expression. I was just suprised that you had a domain name for four pictures. But I suppose I understand.

DiGNAN
13653

Wagons are nice... my Ex has a 94 Taurus Wagon. What year is yours? I like the bubble space capsule look a little better imho. The 94 year was a little more on the traditional station wagon side.

Calvin