#162930 - 27/05/2003 10:56
Pocket PC question
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Do the Pocket PCs have software for a computer to sync with the Pocket PC like Palm does? or do you just use Outlook?
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#162931 - 27/05/2003 11:34
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: burdell1]
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They did back when it was WinCE, at least. Sorry, can't give you any more than that. I'd suggest checking out pocketpccity.com. Again, I haven't been there lately, just back when it used to be WinCECity.com.
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#162932 - 27/05/2003 13:06
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: burdell1]
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Yes. It's called Activesync. They do not bundle a Personal Information Manager (like Palm Desktop) with it. You use Activesync to sync to the PIM software you already have installed (such as Outlook).
You need to have Activesync installed to sync a PC to a Pocket PC.
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#162933 - 27/05/2003 20:31
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: Ezekiel]
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Most PocketPCs come with a copy of Outlook if you don't have a copy already. And yes, newer ones still use Activesync. The idealogy behind it is a bit different then the Palm. Connecting your PDA starts the sync, and it ends when the PDA is disconnected. Thus, if I make a change on the PDA or in Outlook, they sync this data immediatly, even if my PDA has been connected for 8 hours already. Hence "Activesync".
Mac users have PocketMac that can sync to several programs, including Address Book and iCal in OS X.2.
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#162934 - 27/05/2003 20:53
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: drakino]
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I wasn't aware Outlook was being bundled these days. It makes perfect sense as a promotion tool that M$ can give away to boost PPC sales. I've got an older IPAQ 3670 but with a 2GB disk and an 802.11b wireless card, it doesn't feel old, and definitely didn't come with a free copy of Outlook. Oh yes, ActiveSync also works over the wireless network (at least on the WLAN - not over the internet, although that may be possible - I've never tried). Activesync can also be set to sync like a Palm - do it once then disconnect, or to do sync every X minutes.
The PPC is definitely a worthy toy, probably 2nd or 3rd after the empeg & the cameras.
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#162935 - 28/05/2003 04:46
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: Ezekiel]
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Weird. I've got a 3630 and it came with a copy of Outlook 2000. That was the main reason why I started to use Outlook.
You can do an Activesync over ethernet, USB, serial and IRDA. I wouldn't try serial unless you're really desperate as it takes ages just for a basic one where nothing has changed.
I'm not sure how useful my PDAs are. I never seem to use them apart from playing games and reading eBooks. My contacts list and their details are stored in my phone anyway as it's one of those with basic PDA features. I do agree that having a good camera is a better buy than a PDA tho.
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#162936 - 28/05/2003 05:25
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: tman]
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Well, I'd swear mine didn't come with Outlook, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!
I don't take too many business trips, but the Ipaq replaced carting an 8 lb. portable. Other than that I mostly use it as a streaming walkman and when on trips for GPS/Navigation. It also makes a decent .mp3 player on the plane (not WMPlayer tho - what a turd that is). I don't use it daily either. If I wanted just a datebook, I think Palms are the way to go - $100 for a Zire and you're set.
In the end I can't say it was particularly cheaper than a portable. $600 (new), $150 for PCMCIA jacket $100 for 802.11b card, $300 for PCMCIA 2GB HD, $100 for Targus keyboard. On the plus side, they don't make you turn it on at the airport.
Early versions of Activesync were abominable, but it's pretty solid now, IMHO.
-Zeke
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#162937 - 28/05/2003 10:22
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: Ezekiel]
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does anyone have a 3900 series Ipaq? if so, how do you like it?that is the one I am thinking about getting.....it does it fit in your pocket ok without being too bulky too?
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#162938 - 28/05/2003 19:32
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: burdell1]
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39xx series is a nice unit, when HP puts out PocketPC 2003 for it, it should be even nicer. I had one for about two months. Size is not bad, a little bulky in the pocket. You may want to look into a 1910 or even a 2200 (nice size, was playing around with one the other day, should be out very soon).
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#162939 - 28/05/2003 20:49
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: Satan_X]
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There's also a host of third party syncing software packages... Why any one would pay 600 hundred bucks for any handheld when they could get a Tungsten T for 300 dollars I personally don't understand...
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#162940 - 28/05/2003 21:16
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: mwest]
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Why any one would pay 600 hundred bucks for any handheld when they could get a Tungsten T for 300 dollars I personally don't understand... All depends on what someone wants. An iPaq 54xx series ($600-$700) gives you built in 802.11b, more memory, a faster processor, biometric security, and a ton of expansion options that are out now. An iPaq 1910 ($300) will give you about the same features as the Tungsten, but still a faster processor, and more memory. The upcoming rumored revision will add Bluetooth as well.
Palm to me was great ages ago back when the PocketPCs were still trying to find where they fit in the market. Now it just seems like Palm is playing catchup with both the PocketPC camp, and Sony.
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#162941 - 28/05/2003 21:32
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: drakino]
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my 54xx was free :P
Edit:
Sorry for the slightly blurry pic, My only camera at the moment is my cell phone.
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#162942 - 29/05/2003 00:46
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: drakino]
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Registered: 12/02/2002
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I just saw the 1910 at staples for the first time, and it was the first wince/pocketpc that actually made me think I'd want one. It used to be "look, we've got all these cool features, but we'll never fit in your pocket". Now, they've got all these cool features, they'll fit in your pocket, and when you sit on them you won't be crushing a $600 device. Yet another example where microsoft gets into a market and perserveres until they get a decent product. No other company could have made winCE a sucess.
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#162943 - 29/05/2003 09:10
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: Satan_X]
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how did you get it for free?
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#162944 - 29/05/2003 09:17
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: Satan_X]
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Satan X, where did you see a 2200?
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#162945 - 29/05/2003 09:35
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: burdell1]
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If you squint at his attached photo you can see it says Engineering Evaluation (I think).
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#162946 - 29/05/2003 09:37
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[Re: Ezekiel]
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Do you work for them or something?
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#162947 - 29/05/2003 09:45
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[Re: burdell1]
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I'm not the one with the free PPC, I was just pointing out the answer to your question. SatanX is the one with the free PPC. Mine was a birthday gift!
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#162948 - 29/05/2003 09:50
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: drakino]
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The Palm/CE debate rages on, but I think that they both have their uses. The WinCE devices are good for people who want a lot of features, video, MP3's, wireless access, etc. Palm devices are better for someone who just wants an organizer with a few games and utilities. One of the major disadvantages of the WinCE devices is battery life. More processor, more featrures, but you have to recharge it every night. I'm still waiting for one of those mats you can place your phone, PDA, etc on and have them recharge.
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#162949 - 29/05/2003 10:39
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[Re: cushman]
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It says 'Evaluation Equipment'. I dont work for HP, but I work in the IT sector of a fortune 500 company. I usually get my hands on some of the 'eval' handhelds to play with. This is my 4th IPAQ in about two years. Life is good that way....
I only got to play with the 2200 for about 5 minutes, very nice unit......
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#162950 - 29/05/2003 10:50
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[Re: Ezekiel]
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I'm not the one with the free PPC...Mine was a birthday gift! Hey, that's free in my book! (unless it was to yourself  )
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#162951 - 29/05/2003 10:53
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[Re: Dignan]
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I have a very generous mother in law.
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#162952 - 29/05/2003 13:00
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[Re: cushman]
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The WinCE devices are good for people who want a lot of features, video, MP3's, wireless access, etc. Palm devices are better for someone who just wants an organizer with a few games and utilities. But yet it seems all the Palm devices want to play MP3s, video, etc... This was a good argument a few years back, but as I said earlier, it seems Palm is playing catchup to WinCE, instead of staying in their easy to use market. One of the major disadvantages of the WinCE devices is battery life. Not anymore. The Tungsten T does still outlast the iPaq 1910, but just by a bit (5% difference at most). Of course, the 1910 offers the ability to simply swap out the battery with a fully charged one, something I haven't seen a Palm offer yet. The 5450 iPaq also manages to pull in similar battery life results due to the larger batttery, and XScale 400 procs not taking much more power then the old StrongARM 200 chips.
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#162953 - 29/05/2003 13:04
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[Re: drakino]
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But yet it seems all the Palm devices want to play MP3s, video, etc... Not the Palm Zire (m150) that still sells for $100. That thing can't do sh it. Not worth $100 IMHO. Perhaps that's why the one on my desk right now cost me nothing.
You get what you pay for even if the cost is zero (as far as Palm goes).
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#162954 - 29/05/2003 16:51
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[Re: drakino]
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Of course, the 1910 offers the ability to simply swap out the battery with a fully charged one, something I haven't seen a Palm offer yet. -Drakino You must have just started looking, then. All the earlier, plastic-cased Palms (before the Palm V, IIRC) used 2 standard AAA batteries. And they could run for weeks on a set. Alas, this didn't work for the new models with color screens, expansion slots and wireless comm.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch movies or play action games (not chess) on any handheld. None of them (even the Tungsten) are truly small enough to carry around all the time without thinking about it. Since it's a device you have to deliberately lug around... why not bring a notebook? It does all the entertainment stuff so much better.
Required disclaimer: OK, I did replace my trusty Palm IIIx with an m515. But that's just my gadget-boy nature showing. The IIIx did everything I needed it to (hold addresses, phone numbers, memos, etc.).
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#162955 - 29/05/2003 17:34
Re: Pocket PC question
[Re: davekirk]
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To all the people at my job that asked my opinion of what to get (palm vs pocketpc), I always compare them as such:
If you are looking for the fuctionality of a 'daytimer' get a palm.
If you are looking for the fuctionality of a psudo-laptop, get a pocketpc device.
Mind you, after having used 3 different palm devices and about 7 CE devices, I have truly come to this conclusion....
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#162956 - 29/05/2003 17:42
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[Re: davekirk]
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You must have just started looking, then. Tom works for Compaq (now HP). I think he sees a lot more than most of us.
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#162957 - 29/05/2003 17:45
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[Re: Satan_X]
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I look at Palm vs. PocketPC the same as you. However, I dislike carrying either of them.
I'm waiting for this to hit the market:
http://www.fossil.com/tech/TechPDAPalmInfo.asp?Tier1=Tech
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#162958 - 29/05/2003 18:17
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[Re: drakino]
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But yet it seems all the Palm devices want to play MP3s, video, etc... This was a good argument a few years back, but as I said earlier, it seems Palm is playing catchup to WinCE, instead of staying in their easy to use market.
I think this is sad. Palm had a good niche going on, and I wish they would keep with the product lines that are simple and inexpensive. I think they are trying to do this with some of their m series (m100) but the Zire is the wrong direction. You need to provide at least the base functionality of the Palm III or Visor (which you can get for $30 or so on eBay) not go backwards.
The Tungsten T does still outlast the iPaq 1910, but just by a bit (5% difference at most).
I guess I wasn't including the Tungsten series in my comparison because they use an ARM processor, and the older Palm devices use less power-hungry dragonball processors. The older III/V/m will run for weeks on a charge.
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#162959 - 29/05/2003 23:02
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[Re: robricc]
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That does look pretty cool....except;
BATTERY LIFE
Approx. 4 days (Based on an average use of 30 minutes per day, with backlight set OFF. The battery life varies depending on the temperature and conditions of use.)
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