#176927 - 26/08/2003 07:37
Democracy *does* work!
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#176928 - 26/08/2003 08:12
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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Lol Someone posted this on my message board a couple days ago:
http://www.tacobell.com/2003recall/
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#176929 - 26/08/2003 08:19
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: tonyc]
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Personally, I find it a little offensive that a fairly large corporation is being a private shill for Schwarzenegger. Isn't it obvious that their base product is going to sell better than the others? And they equate Davis with what's probably an unadvertised, traditionally low-selling product. And they're advertising the hell out of those Grilled Stuft Burrito things.
A more accurate test would probably be a set of equally-priced low-selling items with similar ingredients. But they thought they'd put an external weight on it in favor of Ahnult and specifically against Davis.
If I didn't already not go to Taco Bell, I'd probably stop going just for this.
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#176930 - 26/08/2003 08:21
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: wfaulk]
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If I didn't already not go to Taco Bell, I'd probably stop going just for this. Most people find it difficult to stop going after a trip to Taco Bell.
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#176931 - 26/08/2003 08:26
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: wfaulk]
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And I thought I would be accused of taking things too seriously by noting that chicken (and of course, "steak") items always cost more than comparable beef ones. Should Al Franken have subtitled his new book "Run From the Bell"?
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#176932 - 26/08/2003 08:27
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: tonyc]
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Most people find it difficult to stop going after a trip to Taco Bell.
LOL ! Best one I've heard all week!
Bitt's post reminded me of this one though.
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#176933 - 26/08/2003 08:34
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: DLF]
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Well, you know, stupid pop-culture things often have a greater impact on the great unwashed than one might hope. It's often been cited that SNL's skits casting Gerald Ford as a bumbling, physically inept idiot had a significant effect on the outcome of the 1976 elections. Taco Bell is probably more pervasive than SNL was at the time, and I wouldn't be surprised if it had an effect on the election, and I doubt the Schwarzenegger campaign is funding it. Well, at least not above the table.
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#176934 - 26/08/2003 09:05
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: wfaulk]
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However, read the fine print:
*Product results will be indexed to pre-promotion levels to insure fairness to all candidates.
I'm not sure I am interpreting that right, but it looks like the results are weighted such that the important factor is the relative change in the quantity of each item sold since before the promotion started...
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#176935 - 26/08/2003 09:13
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: wfaulk]
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and I doubt the Schwarzenegger campaign is funding it. Well, at least not above the table. How dare you insult my campaign! My astrotuhfing campaign is no different than all the otha politicians who buy they way into political ohfices each year.
Besides, the Taco Bell strahtegy allows me to connect with the vitally impohtant 18-25 unemployed stonah demograhfic.
If you continue to speak out against my campaign, you will be tehminated!
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#176936 - 26/08/2003 09:13
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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Hmmm. Good point. I wonder if ``will be'' means that it has already happened or if it will happen before they publish the final results.
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#176937 - 26/08/2003 09:27
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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If you continue to speak out against my campaign, you will be tehminated! If I thought I'd get my way / I could be so much sweeter / But I find everybody understands / Uzi 9mm
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#176938 - 26/08/2003 10:01
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: peter]
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[wiping tear from eye]
That's beautiful, man.
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#176939 - 26/08/2003 10:08
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: tonyc]
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if i lived there, id vote for georgy russel as she prolly their cutest one running.
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#176940 - 26/08/2003 10:11
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: DLF]
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That's beautiful, man. Was that single even released in the US?
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#176941 - 26/08/2003 11:55
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: tonyc]
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Interesting that you picked a Johnstown TV station's web site for this.
Do we have any members for whom WJAC is a local station? (the next cable system east has it; mine doesn't)
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#176942 - 26/08/2003 12:07
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: DLF]
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I'm SURE someone in California would love to represented by the Contracepta-melt.
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#176943 - 26/08/2003 12:27
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: Daria]
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Do we have any members for whom WJAC is a local station? (the next cable system east has it; mine doesn't) It was just coincidental that their site had the story towards the top of the Google News search I did on this topic. Though WJAC was the local NBC affiliate for me during my time at Penn State.
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#176944 - 26/08/2003 22:01
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: RobotCaleb]
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She'll get my vote, if I don't just vote for Davis. I know he's a schmuck, and doing a piss-poor job, but this whole recall thing is a farce.
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#176945 - 27/08/2003 09:54
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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Agreed on that. I had thought that we were just the laughing stock of the country, but I talked to someone who is living in the middle east and he says the news there is full of stories of the election and that we are, in fact, the laughing stock of the entire fricking world. Sigh.
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#176946 - 27/08/2003 11:38
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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For a cogent discussion of why California's brand of democracy doesn't work, I'd like to recommend the last few chapters of Fareed Zakaria's excellent book, The Future of Freedom.
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#176947 - 27/08/2003 11:58
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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#176948 - 27/08/2003 12:56
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: DLF]
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> California's brand of democracy doesn't work
It is the same reason Democracy isn't working on a country-wide level; people can buy what they want. Money is the great corrupter of politics, and when the Republicans can buy a state recall election just like big business can buy a president, democracy fails.
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#176949 - 27/08/2003 13:28
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: ninti]
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While I would never argue against the corrupting influence of money on politics (and wanted McCain to run as an Ind., just so somebody might whine about it), that's nothing new. Rich people have bought power since money was invented; now we just have lots of narrowly defined special interests doing it. Which brings us to Zakaria's point about the changes in Calif. in the last 20 years: that if you can demand popularity contests be held on ideas, values or even individual leaders (whether duly elected like Davis or, God forbid, appointed ones like Greenspan or Supreme Court justices), then you're suffering from way, way too *much* democracy and not nearly enough leadership.
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#176950 - 27/08/2003 14:45
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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I'm jumping into the end of this but... are you insinuating that Democrats wouldn't have taken advantage of a situation such as this? The idea that Republicans are "big money" and Democrats aren't also seems implied in your statements... which is completely indefensible.
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#176951 - 27/08/2003 15:00
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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I agree, although I'm no Republican. There are no qualitative differences between these two useless parties. (Zakaria fingers the Party Primaries for this.) Choosing one party based on which special interests it's more easily influenced by is like choosing a prostitute based on which positions she specializes in. It's missing the central point, which is they're whores.
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#176953 - 28/08/2003 02:14
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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But you might have a favourite position.....which makes the choice relevant
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#176954 - 28/08/2003 11:06
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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I'm happy to see this recall. It shows that the people are still in charge in California. The problem with this country is the power of the government. The government is no longer run by public servants; rather, they are the masters, and the 'civilians' are the servants. It has been etched into the minds of millions that the government is the ruler of their lives and they must obey.
There is a 'liberal' movement in this country, where liberation is the last thing on their minds. Higher taxes are a priority, as that gives them more power over individuals and increases their reach as totalitarian rulers. Secondly, they perpetuate unconventional thinking - philosophies that go against those that have been around for thousands of years. Afterall, they can't have their future subjects be rational thinkers. And of course, as the fuhrer of germany once said, the first thing you have to do before you seize total control is disarm the people. Having an armed public threatens the liberals' view of an all-controlling government, united with the one-ruling world government. It's no surprise the UN doesn't want 'peasants' owning guns.
There are two types of liberals. The first type has a vision of what this country and the world will be like in the coming future. Socialist totalitarianism. Everyone works for the government. The freedom to pursue happiness and liberty is a thing of the past, but of course now there is no crime and everyone is safe. They will no longer be afraid of their own destiny, just as a criminal in jail knows he is safely tucked in his cell with three meals a day, while a television calmy passifies his mind - he has no uncertainty about what the future will bring. The world is united as one, by one. There is no war, except for the war to kill Israel, the last stronghold of the enemy. To keep track of and control the subjects of the world, everyone is fitted with barcodes on their bodies. These are used for trade and as a replacement monetary system for paper money. It is no coincidence that all barcodes contain three number 6's coded within. How much of this wishful vision the type 1 liberal sees varies, but one thing is for certain. Every new law they fight for and their whole outlook on how life should be is only to diminish the existing rights of the people. The masses must be conditioned to the point that they want to give away their rights, that they want to serve the ruling beast.
The second type of liberal is the result of this mind conditioning. Liberal women are easily terrified by violent images of guns or promises of global warming. They are easily duped into believing propaganda, and are absolutely frightened by the prospect of mass hysteria. They have no desire for knowledge. They are not experts in any special field of work. If someone tells them something, they believe it. The more forcefully it is told to them, the more they believe it. So-called studies are done everyday by so-called scientists, who come to conclusions that are accepted as fact and truth. This is being done today. Do not trust your instincts, don't trust the beliefs that were passed down through countless generations, don't trust what you've learned throughout your entire life, trust what you are being told. Trust the scientifically proven.
Liberal men are, simply put, feminized males. "The strongest sign of decay of a nation is the feminization of men and the masculization of women." The society filled with bi-gender women, devoid of honorable men, thirsts for a hyper-masculine police state to keep order. These feminized men are not confident in their ability to create their own destiny and to care for themselves and their family. They ignore rational thinking and logic. They have no women of any integrity to keep them sane. They do not value or respect courage, ingenuity, or wisdom. They adopt the beliefs and fears of the liberal woman. They have little capacity to think for themselves, or to analyze their environment. They essentially never became men. They are afraid of confrontation, and would never stand up for what is right. They are cowards who value their lives more than anything, as they are afraid of what will come with death.
"The country that draws a broad line between its fighting men and its thinking men will find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards."
There are, however, many men and women who stand for what is right. They will not obey or bow down to a ruler. They will not work as a slave for the government, and they will not yield power or their God given rights to a ruling elite. It was men like these who fought on April 19, 1775 in Concord, and men like these who fought in the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto in the spring of 1943. These people will fight at all costs to preserve their liberty. This is why disarming the public is essential to the type-1 liberal's vision. A type-2 liberal is afraid of guns. They are not concerned with the functionality of firearms or the necessity to have one. All they know is that they are bad and scary just as they've been told, and they threaten their precious lives. Therefore, in their eyes, guns should only be in the hands of the almighty protectors, the rulers. Currently, an outright gun ban in America would ignite an immediate defiance and revolt, which would spread like wildfire and the type-1 liberals would lose all control over the hearts and minds of all the type-2 liberals in this country. So, for the past several years they have adopted the strategy of banning firearms incrementally.
"They came for the Jews, but I wasn't a Jew, so I didn't speak out. They came for the trade unionists, but I wasn't a trade unionist, so I didn't speak out. They came for the Catholics, but I wasn't a Catholic, so I didn't speak out. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out."
First, ban the scary looking ones. Then, we'll ban the cheap ones. Then we'll ban the most powerful ones. Each new gun law is passed off as a sensible infringement on article two of the Bill of Rights.
"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
The second amendment has been infringed many times over.
Buy a rifle and become proficient with it. Hold on to it like you would hold on to your freedom. An armed public is the best defense against oppression, invading armies, and the common criminal. The type-1 liberal's vision will never come to pass if americans keep their values, embrace common sense and wisdom, and stay well-armed. If the liberals seize total power of this country, there will be a bloody civil war. Type-1 and type-2 liberals are infesting the entire world, and they have their sights on America as the next obstacle to a world government and the destruction of Israel.
After 9/11, many americans got a reality check. Many type-2 liberals were instantly converted into rational individuals. The inevitable war against the liberals will come, and hopefully that war will not be on our own soil and amongst ourselves.
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#176955 - 28/08/2003 11:16
Re: Democracy *does* work!
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Some of us radical liberals are prepared to defend that liberty - and have learned to use weapons to that end.
OK, I admit, I was never very good with the assault rifle. The rocket launcer was more my thing.
But I don't think either has much of a role in the current situation in California.
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#176956 - 28/08/2003 11:22
Re: Democracy *does* work!
[Re: julf]
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Ok, i started side-tracking a little, but cut me a break. That shit took me like two hours to write.
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