This build was made specially for the European empeg Owners Meet in Amersfoort, 2003. It has now been released - in the most unofficial of senses - as the first ever public alpha. The intention of the release is to satisfy the curiosity of everyone who did not make the meet.

Do not load this release onto your player unless you are prepared for everything to go horribly wrong. As the release notes state, this is an alpha release and may not be stable. It could spoil your day in any number of ways! Also, there is no Mk.1 version of v3 as yet.

If you're feeling lucky, load up the release notes and follow the instructions carefully to enter ..

.. the 3.0 experience!

http://www.empeg.com/v3alpha/

THERE WILL BE NO SUPPORT FOR THIS RELEASE BEYOND THE GOOD WILL OF THE BBS MEMBERS.
Warned have you been.

I don't feel special anymore.

EDIT: I'm just kidding. Congratulations on the 3.0 release. Even in the alpha state, it is stable enough to be used everyday (as I have been doing since the meet). I only have to back down to 2.00 when I want to reliably upload new tunes.

Daring. I suspect we'll get a deluge of grumpy people when their players stop playing, and their databases get destroyed.

Be careful what you ask for. (Isn't that an ancient Chinese curse?)

-jk

What problem do you have with uploads?

Putting v2 back and rebuilding the database should recover, though, so, heck with them.

It may be more of an Emplode 2.00-final problem working with 3.00-a3, but lots of times the uploads will just die after a few tracks and leave the database somewhat corrupted to the point where on next boot a rebuild is forced. At that point, there are a bunch of files that are in the DB, but the tunes aren't actually there because the upload got screwed-up. This happens on both my Mk2 and Mk2a over ethernet. I have not tried USB with 3.00-a3 yet.

I am using emplode 2.00-final because the one provided with 3.00 likes to crash before even loading the player database and I have no OGGs, so there is no need.

Word of waning to those who have extensive bookmark collections. Installing this alpha seemed to erase mine, as I am guessing the dynamic partition changed in 3.0.

Hummm... after seeing 3.0 at the Colorado EMPEG meet, I don't know if I wanna pop this on my empeg.

Yes, I LOVE the crossfading *drools*, and really wanna get rid of all of the MP3's and go to OGG and FLAC, but I saw this thing crash multiple times during a 10 minute period (incudling to the point where we had to hook it up to AC to get it to boot back up!).

Hummm, and I guess this gives me an excuse to buy a new serial cable

As spoiled as I am by crossfading on the Karma, I am going to hold off on the Alpha for a little while. I have enough fun with exploding software at the office. (Yes, mostly Microsoft.)

Am I missing something? the emplode zip file, only contains the emplode exe, where do i find the latest version of the kernel flasher so i can install this alpha

Also, you guys rock!

If this is the exact same build from Amersfoort, then I think it's important that everyone know that low-bitrate files (sub-128 kbps in my experience) tend to cause the encoder to lock up. The player doesn't crash, but you need to reboot the empeg to play tunes again. What I did to get around this (temporarily) was create a Wendy filter called "hide low bitrate" and tag all of my low-bitrate MP3's with the low bitrate Wendy flag. Of course, the 3.0 alpha doesn't remember Wendy flags across reboots, so every time you load another playlist, you'll have to make sure the Wendy flag is properly set.

Otherwise, I agree with those who've said 3.0 alpha is pretty good for everyday use. Not perfect (occasional crashes not related to the low bitrate problem as well) but good enough for me.

I just upgraded and all of my equalizer settings are gone. They are all back to flat. Is this normal? If so, let this be a warning to all you still thinking of upgrading.

You just use the v2.00 updater to flash the empeg.

For emplode, you replace the files in your emplode directory with the ones in the zip. Backup your old emplode.exe first though.

DOH! i already uninstalled it

Thanks for the tip

Ok, well this has just ruined my productivity for the day! I'm having our network guy search for a null modem cable as we speak.

Thanks for making this public Rob, though I do hope that this goodwill doesn't come back to bite you (no good deed going unpunished and all). As for me, I'm soooo stoked. I can't wait to try the crossfading out, bugs or no bugs.

Thanks for making this public Rob, though I do hope that this goodwill doesn't come back to bite you

Anyone who reads my warning, downloads v3, and then complains about it is going to be thoroughly and ruthlessly ignored! If that should happen to be someone who has been bitching about getting it for the last six months then so much the better

Rob

"Yes, I LOVE the crossfading *drools*, and really wanna get rid of all of the MP3's and go to OGG and FLAC, but I saw this thing crash multiple times"

Didn't see anything in the release notes about FLAC support. Does it?

Wow, this is pretty nice. at least on my empeg
I even added 2 cds with the new emplode via USB.

But, after looking at bit at my empeg, i noticed the button leds are not turned on is there a hijack for 3.0 alpha 3?

I did notice once after the player rebooted, it was playing music. But the screen was off, and the standby LED was blinking. A button press got the screen to come back on.
So, if your playing a track, and just hold the top button down, empeg is in standby. Now, kill the power, and plug it back in. And it will continue your track, but with the screen off like in standby.

Oh, and the % counter when the empeg has to build the database is nice. Lets you know its actually doing something.

Oh, and how the seek tool doesn't need to play a song anymore to generate the graph.

Very nice guys, can't wait to see what’s next

is there a hijack for 3.0 alpha 3?

The latest Hijack works with v3

WEEEEE!!!!

Install...

*BOOM!*

ehehe

Nice, you’re just full of great suggestions. Thanks again!

Yeah tell me about it... about to downgrade back to 2.0, then try going to 3.0a-3 again :P

<edit>

But see I wasn't the one complaining about getting 3.0-a hehe so I don't mind. And I fully saw the problems it can cause when I saw it at the meet...

Wooooot!

Thanks Rob! You guys are awesome!!! (Damn... Now I gots to start the long jurney of re ripping to ogg...)

Hey I got one question though... The 2.10 version of Emplode that's on the site is what we should be using to synch with 3.0 Alpha, right? No Alpha of RMM yet?

Edit: Yeah, ok, so maybe I should RTFM next time... I just read the Release Notes. Question answered.

I got a question...

In the 3.0 Alpha realese notes, in the Emplode instalation section, it says "Install the v2.00-rc2 version of emplode..." blah blah blah.

Do they really mean RC2, or does it also work with 2.0 final?

2.0 final is fine.

Hmmm, I must be doing something wrong. I downloaded the image, copied the empload exe into the empload directory, and then applied the updgrade. The new version comes up but rebuild the database every time. Then the cross fading doesn't seem to work. It cuts of the end of the first song and just starts playing the second one. I have the value set at four seconds. And then when I try the new empload I get an error message about not being able to read the database. For the moment I've returned back to 2.0, which works fine. Any help from the bbs out there?

The new version comes up but rebuild the database every time.

Most of the alpha testers have had to revert to emplode 2.0 and re-synch once or twice to fix that problem.

Alternatively, you can do this. Note that this FAQ entry was updated quite a while ago so that it also applies to 3.0 (note the 3.0-specific file names).

The new version comes up but rebuild the database every time.

Synchronize once.

Thanks Tony!

Quick on the draw, as always...

Thanks Rob.

I want to listen to the radio again and use the RDS, so I am taking the risk: I'll install in few minutes. I promise I will not complain when the radio is the only thing left to listen in my empeg

Just kidding. Right move, I am happy 3.00alpha3 was released.

Man you guys are ballsy... I can't risk 160GB of music (I lost a lot of music with an earlier beta by finding the "cut and paste" bug where emplode forgot to paste!)

But crossfading would be so so nice!

Anyway, even if I'm not taking part, it still is like Christmas morning isn't it! :P

Was ext3 part of 3.00alpha?

Well, I wasn't going to load it but what the heck, I'll load it on the spare that's still in the box. I knew I bought that thing for a reason...

Thanks! (just have to wait for the kid to go to sleep before I can play)

Was ext3 part of 3.00alpha?

Nope. Doesn't seem to be any new filesystem support. My old ext3 support still works though Overall it seems reasonably usable for an alpha (been playing for a couple hours). The low bitrate bug is the only thing that has been an issue for me.

-Mike

What is crossfading, and why would anyone want it?

What is crossfading, and why would anyone want it?

Awww, man, if you haven't experienced crossfading well then let me tell you that

What is crossfading, and why would anyone want it?

Its when the song playing fades away at the end and a new song will fade in. Like on the radio. It makes song transitions more smooth.

Is the cross-fading a manual on/off toggle or can it be enabled/disabled via a playlist?

Synchronize once.

Yes, but empload crashes whenever I try. I did not, however, write down the error message, so that probably doesn't help much. I'll give it a go tomorrow and let you know exactly what it is. Also I might force a sync in 2.0 before upgrading just to make sure everything looks good before the upgrade.

Try with jEmplode, or whichever of the old or new emplode didn't crash already.

I used jEmplode, which worked fine. In fact, I *couldn't* use emplode. Well, maybe I can now, I installed VirtualPC earlier.

FerretBoy
You are not the only one, I am having the same problem. I am not able to get it to connect to empload and the error I'm getting is: Download failed while checking database, error 0xc0041002, says the same thing with a serial connection. Also I reloaded 2.0 and sync before upgrading that still did not help the problem.

Man, I SO wish that crossfading could be done on the 2.00 software!

if you're running emplode 2.0final, do changes to the database affect the database or dabase3 file?

also, a while back, someone suggested that non-critial tags (i.e. info, etc.) would be excluded from the database to save memory. did that happen?

lastly, is there still a 1024 char limit to the info tag? if the above was implemented, long tags won't be a worry anymore, right? i need to put my tracklists/cuefile somewhere

FerretBoy what OS are you using. I switched from Windows 98 to XP and it worked fine. For some reason v3 wouldn't connect to emplode using 98 for me it maybe different for other users?

I just had a nasty little 3.0 Alpha related scare I thought I'd share with everyone. (The player is fine now)

First off, I should say that I installed 3.0 Alpha earlier today, and it's been running fine. No trouble really at all, except for the "database rebuilds every time" issue, but a synch fixed that up.

So I decided to throw Hijack on there...

I downloaded 341, and used Tony's logo editor. Pretty standard.

Unfortunately, instead of getting the usual smiley face, I got a rather unfriendly error message:

"Error status in readbyte 16"

I thought "Hmmm.. That's weird..." and rebooted the player to see if that made a difference.

To my shock, the player would not boot. Not in the house, or in the car. All it would do on power up was flash the LED, as if it was in standby mode. And no amount of clicking or prodding seemed to have any effect.

I was stuck in permanent standby mode. Not a happy thought.

I even tried to connect via Emplode with the serial cable, so I could reload either the 2.0 or 3.0 Alpha software, but it couldn't even detect the player.

I thought for sure I was hosed.

Well anywayz, to make a long story short, after much messing around, and numerous "Error status in readbyte 16" messages, Tony's logo editor decided to work it's magic, and Hijack suddenly installed successfully. And since then, the player has been fine.

Aaaahhh... All is well in narnia once again.

Please note that the "readbyte 16" error indicates serial communication trouble and is unrelated to 3.0.

I'd be checking the serial cable for frays, etc... I was having the weirdest problems with the serial stuff at one time, and discovered it was just a cable that had gone bad (frayed at the flex point).

Also, were you using the last build of Logoedit? We fixed some bugs in upload.exe that might have caused the readbyte 16 error in earlier versions.

The reason the player wouldn't boot is that it erased the flash but never finished filling it up with the new kernel.

I'm using version 1.7.

It could very well be my cable...

It's been a little while since I've used it, and that would also explain why it sudenly worked again.

Thanks!

Hope I didn't scare anyone away from trying 3.0...

OK,

I made it. I installed 3.00 Alpha3, got the rebuild problem, synched and now it is working great. So far.

Hoping that is is of some help:

I updated Emplode to 2.10 . Tried to upograde the player sw and failed. Tried again with emplode 2.00, adn failed again. Then realized the upgrade.exe had not been changed. I so tried to upgrade starting upgrade.exe directly, without having emplode running, and I succeeded.

I got the rebuild problem, as I said. So I started emplode 2.00 again, which started to synch automatically. After it had done, I synched manually once more. Problem solved.

Now I am wondering whether I should try or not emplode 2.10.

I enabled crossfading. In a while I'll go and test if it works and if the radio+rds works. If so, I'm happy. Really!

I AM HAPPY!

- The radio works beautifully!

Question One:
What is the difference between presets and store?

- The crossfading is simply fantastic! I set it up to 5s and i love it!

- Whatever the technical reason for it is, the pitchbend is fun!

Question Two:
What is pitchbend for, besides having fun?

In case I did not stress it enough: I AM HAPPY!! I HAVE MY RADIO AGAIN!!!

Now I need to reinstall HiJack, but I want to test simple 3.0a3 for a while, first.

I AM HAPPY!!!!

HAPPY!!!

Try with jEmplode

Ah. didn't think about that. I'll give that a go then . . . Thanks.

FerretBoy what OS are you using. I switched from Windows 98 to XP and it worked fine.

I was using both 98 and 2000, but not XP. I did the upgrade from the 98 machine. This time I'm going to try to connect with jEmpload.

Excellent! That worked and I am a VERY happy camper. The cross fading sounds awesome, now all I need are some annoying DJ's (but you can wait to implement that particular feature indefinitely).

One question, though (there’s always one, right?): Is there a particular reason that all of my wma files aren’t cross fading? The rest work great, but all of my wma files just start with no fade in. Do I need to re-encode these as mp3s?

What is pitchbend for, besides having fun?

Well, you know that song that you always tried to singalong with but couldn't quite hit all the notes? Pitchbend it!

I've uploaded about 5000 ogg files using emplode 2.10. The process hung if I was doing it over ethernet, so I connected with USB and let it run overnight, which it looks like was sucessful. After each upload attempt I had to sync with emplode 2.0 to rebuild the database. It looks like there's something funny going on with the arp cache, when the ethernet upload failed, the console spit out a bunch of "neighbour table overflow" messages.

Has anyone been able to get to a shell? Each time I try the player crashes with a memory violation error.

--Nathan

Yeah, I had that problem. Then I installed telnetd. Then the memory violation problem went away, I didn't do anything about it.

Has anyone been able to get to a shell? Each time I try the player crashes with a memory violation error.

yeah, you can't press q. just <ctrl-c> instead. same difference.

What is pitchbend for, besides having fun?

Man, It is way too fun. (I've already been using it to leave jacked up messages on people's voice mail)

Seriously though, it gives me an idea.

Wouldn't it be cool if they used the pitchbend functionality for seeking?

Just hold down the button, and it starts to slowly speed up and up...

And it should be trivial to make it play backwards too.

That would be sooooo much more usable then the "eep! brap! click! tprang! pop!" method that we have now...

Man, It is way too fun.

Yeah it is! I particularly like "The End of the World As We Know It" jacked way up.

The other thing that's fun, is to put on something nice and crunchy, slow it down to like 20%, and then crank up the volume.

I had Skinny Puppy going like that, and it hit a note that was so low, the whole car was shaking, but you couldn't hear anything.

You gotta love it...

Yeah it is! I particularly like "The End of the World As We Know It" jacked way up.

Whoa! That makes me wonder... That's the song I use for stress-testing emphatic's lyrics scrolling. I wonder what happens to emphatic when it plays the "Alvin & The Chipmunks" version..

(moves over to other side of desk where empeg lives)

Wow. Horiztonal scrolling, not surprisingly, didn't do so hot. To my surprise, it does just fine with vertical scrolling... Reading them that fast is the hard part.

is there a place we can submit bug reports, or perhaps they are not ready for them yet, since there are so many, they might be working on them, and prob dont want to hear everyone's bug about the same things.

If nothing else, look at the thread in the bug reports forum. I suspect nothing else for now as they're presumably still busy.

the cross fading is awesome, and is way overdue IMHO. Its still buggy, but i'm sure that will be worked out in time. I'm excited about this new release!

Another Skinny Puppy fan! Wow!

They are back together and are recording a new album (1 new track on the Underworld OST).

who doesnt like skinny puppy?
ok.. i guess theres probably a lot of people that dont. but anyway..


just noticed i hit addict. yay me!

from the release notes:

In reply to:

---

Please submit bugs to Bugzilla, in the "Rio Car v3" project. Please try
not to mix up bugs in the v2 and v3 projects, as much of the underlying
code will be different.

If you are not an alpha tester, please hold back on reporting bugs until
a public Beta is released - unless it is something really critical!

---

d33zY, why are you always popping in here and starting fights?!!

Actually, the mention of a possible future beta, AND the fact that they expected non-alpha testers to get their hands on this creates some hope of newer versions down the line!

Starting fights? Seemed a reasonable enough post to me...
It basically says to enter bugs into Bugzilla which the alpha testers have access to. If you're not an alpha tester then you wouldn't have access to Bugzilla and therefore should wait for the proper beta release.
I think it's been mentioned before that it's highly likely there will be further releases, the empeg team have just been really busy recently and not had the time.

I was just making a little joke because people tend to (I think I even did once over a year back) assume that his posts are attempts to get people riled up.

I love seeing Sadam doing a "hand plant" SK8R move though!

Oh I think your joke was a little too subtle for me. I think I should go bed before I make a fool out of myself anymore.

Didn't see anything in the release notes about FLAC support. Does it?

I tried to upload some flac files but they were rejected, so I guess the answer is "not yet". Did anybody succeed in uploading flac files?

Rob and Co. I have to say thankyou for the best laugh I've had in a looooong time. My wife and I just spent about an hour just listening to different songs with the pitch bender turned up to about 176%. We just couldn't stop laughing hearing "Alvin" doing all these songs. Other than REM I have to say my favorite song has to be "Blood" by Pearl Jam. I could just see Alvin and the Chipmunks screaming this one at the top of their lungs.

i was hoping that post would piss someone off!

I try your solution - but I cant get the player running. After the long building of database the serial log shows the following:

Press Ctrl-A to enter pump... player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 200
3/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4018a008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 67
num_physpages : 4096

Then the rebuild-process is starting again :-((

What can i do ?

Same here. See my last post...

What worked for me was syncing with jEmpload. jEmpload did throw an error of some sort the first time, but then worked without issue after that (unlike Empload, which errored out completly every time). Once it got over this initial hump things worked great.

But not for me. Sync with jemplode was ok. But now the player restarts again every time:

Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...Sta
rting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4030c008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 84
num_physpages : 4096
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 9
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4030c008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 85
num_physpages : 4096

The last is "Loading visuals..." and thats it :-((

OK... followed the install instructions and it installs V3a3... does the dtabase rebuild and all... then at first it was hanging on a line that said "starting serial output notify". Well, I went through and edited my config.ini and removed the hijack call there and then re-installed. Now I've tried a few times now and it hangs on a line saying "starting user poll thread"... anyone have any ideas why I cannot get this even installed? I had Ver 2.0 final and hijack 340 installed prior to this as well as having the Palantir stuff... I'm wondering if the palantir stuff is the problem

I have alpha 3, 340, and palantir (really empire) on mine right now. Works fine.

Get a shell either via the serial port, or by installing telnetd (it's possible, by the way, to run the devs script for telnet via hijack from config.ini; just remember ro run "rw" before it, and "ro"after it), and go into /empeg/var and remove the database. Then, hopefully the player rebuilds the database again when it restarts. Then, synchronize again.

If that fails, ftp off a copy of the database and some sucker (perhaps me) can try it on their player and see if it results in horkage.

I know I know, no support, but I figured I could get a little hint?

I'm getting the following error.

"Download failed while checking database. Error 0xc0041002"

I rebuilt the player, then reupgraded to 3.0a3. I am also using 2.10 emplode. Neither jEmplode or 2.0 emplode will recognize that the player is there. This happens on win2k and winxp over ethernet and serial.

Any suggestions?

I try it via serial shell - without real success:

empeg:/empeg/bin# rwm
empeg:/empeg/bin# rm /drive0/var/database
empeg:/empeg/bin# rm /drive0/var/playlists
empeg:/empeg/bin# rm /drive0/var/tags
empeg:/empeg/bin# exit
logout
Shell exit
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
! tags.cpp : 61:Failed to open tags (0xc0041002).
LAC construct 0x4018a008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 430
nr_free_pages : 39
num_physpages : 4096
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 9
Starting bash.
empeg:/empeg/bin#

The last line in display is "Loading visuals..."

I expected /drive0/var/database3. What tool did you use to build that database?

I dont have such a file, only database - not database3. I deleted all files in /drive0/var, except config.ini, in /drive1/var were no files. The player restored then the files after exit from shell.

Sorry, my fault. It seems it was database3. I try it again and there was now a database3 file. But no success - the player restarts over and over.

I found that the fs on drive1 was damaged, at the moment fsck do his job after the umount....

I found that the fs on drive1 was damaged, at the moment fsck do his job after the umount....

If that doesn't work try installing hijack. I was getting a similar player crash until I reinstalled hijack. Not sure why it would make a difference, but worth a shot.

-Mike

No, thats also not the solution. I tried v342, but the player does always restart:

Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8
I see this is a developer image!
Mounting proc
Mounting first music partition
Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19
Mounting second music partition
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4030c008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 84
num_physpages : 4096
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 9
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4030c008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 70
num_physpages : 4096
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 9
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4030c008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 75
num_physpages : 4096
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 9
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x4030c008
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 431
nr_free_pages : 69
num_physpages : 4096
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 9
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.

No, thats also not the solution.

Is this a MK2 or 2a? The player app is getting killed because the empeg is low on memory. Do you have reservecache set in your config.ini? If not try setting it to something like 32 so the player doesn't take up as much memory (search here or the faq for exact syntax).

-Mike

Yup, he's right. I totally glossed over the VM message which says as much. Oops.

I had the same problem. If you follow the link from one of Tony's posts earlier in this thread to the FAQ follow the instructions for shelling into the Empeg and deleteting the databases and having it rebuild them. It worked great for me.

I don't seem to be spending the sort of time loving my empeg like I should lately (all my leisure time recently is spent playing =Eve=), as a result I'm a little sketchy on what 3.0a has to offer.

I see it's got ogg and flac support along with cross-fading (sweet ). I think tuner freq searching works as well which is very welcome too.

Is there a feature list anywhere that I can use to bone-up on what's new?

THAT'S IT !

YEAH!

Thank you for the solution! Why i'm the only one with this problem ?

We all had it set already? (I know I did)

Actually there are other considerations. How big is your database for instance?

I finally was able to get everything to work. It appears that jemplode was acting up on my desktop, so from my laptop I was able to connect to 3.0a3 on the empeg.

Popped some OGG on and listened.

I think OGG has a much higher usage of the CPU as it kinda freaks out with visuals, but it sounds damn good!

Question. Does crossfading work with ogg?

Question. Does crossfading work with ogg?

I suspect not, at least for fading in. I don't have any ogg, but I'm not able to fade into wma files. Someone else reported this same issue with oggs, so my feeling is that fading in only works with mp3s. My wmas fade out fine though (if an mp3 is next).

1,5 MB (1577285 Bytes).

Is it to much ? =:-|

I have a suggestion but I've read somewhere to be silent and not to tell.
Well, but I want :-).
Why is the RDS-bottomline inversed? Looks not nearly as good as in version 2 where it simply isn't inversed.

Is it possible to control it via hijack? Want my old style back without downgrading ;-).

Thanks a lot for V3!
Rolf

Crossfading and pitchbend were great fun but, alas, I am going back until a more stable version comes out. I have problems with skipping, refusing to play certain tracks, slowness in both the menus and responding to button pushes, and crashes of both Emplode and the player. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you putting it out and having a chance play with it, but the bleeding edge is a bit too painful for my taste.

Anyone able to get beeps to work? Doesn't work for me in analog or digital.

Stu

Anyone able to get beeps to work? Doesn't work for me in analog or digital.

Known "feature" of v3a3.

Hmm, maybe I'm the minority, but so far I'm having relatively few problems with the alpha.

Of course, my database and song collection is a tad smaller than some I've seen posted here, I'm running about 3500 songs (mostly MP3's with about a thousand OGG's).

Only real problem I've noticed is a very slight sluggishness on the button presses, and a weird interaction with hijack. With Hijack installed and restore visuals set to on, it boots up and drops me into the menu instead of restoring the visuals (like it's getting a short down button press instead of a long hold). I'm going to tweak with the button delay settings a bit and see if this fixes it, but that's really the only real problem I've had. Zero crashes, zero skipping, no playback problems.

I'm going to be taking an 1800 or so mile trip in a few weeks (I'm moving from the bay area to just outside Kansas City to go back to school for a journalism degree, callling it quits as an engineer) and I'll get some serious time cycling through it then, will see if I have any major issues after that major stress test but so far it's relatively stable for me.

Empeg alpha code is stabler than microsoft release code at least

-- Gary F.

Hmm, maybe I'm the minority, but so far I'm having relatively few problems with the alpha

I'm with you, it just stops dead from time to time - mainly on Otis Redding tracks, for some reason! It no longer handles MP2's , which is a real problem to me, as I like to load 7 or 8 hours of radio programmes a week, it's a bind having to re-process them to 3's. But it really doesn't give me much grief.

Agreed, not many problems so far beyond hanging up on the few ccr tracks from emusic that were only 128kbps. .. but then again I only have about 6gigs of tunes loaded so far.

128mbps

What would I ever do without this BBS, the Otis Redding's were amongst a number of CD's that were the first I ever ripped, long before EAC and, of course, they're at 128 - problem solved!

Aarrgh...So am I to assume that 128Kbs is the "magic" number (or rather non-magic) at which the V3 code staarts puking? About 90% of my current collection is 128... I just started re-ripping to 256Kbs.

I just installed V3a3 last night, loaded up about 1600 MP3's overnight and popped it in the dash this am. None of the mp3s show up (or playlists).... Are people experiencing the need to re-synch a lot?

I used the latest jemplode to do the load, as it seemed to work better than the emplode that shipps with v3 (it barfs at reading database every time).

Experiences?

Jeff

None of the mp3s show up (or playlists)..

Yes, I had the same problem but it was easily solved by creating a new soup playlist "Artist/Album" under the "All Music" folder.

It seems that the actual files are just under the "empegcar" heading and are not at all used as a playlist. I had to create a soup "Artist/Album" playlist under "empegcar" -> "All Music" in order to get the "Artist/Album" stuff to show up on the empeg. Now, whenever I drag and drop the new files I drop them on the "Artist/Album" folder under "empegcar" --> "All Music"

I hope that makes sense.

Hmm, maybe I'm the minority, but so far I'm having relatively few problems with the alpha.

Other than the non-mp3 cross fading problem and a bit of sluggishness, I'm not having any problems so far. I do have some 128 encoded mp3s, but haven't had any difficulties with those either.

I do have some 128 encoded mp3s, but haven't had any difficulties with those either.

hmmm.... after listening to about 4 (somewhere around there anyway) 128kbps files IN A ROW I first get drop outs and a couple seconds later the player is no longer responsive. Of course I only noticed this when those were the only files loaded on the player so take it for what it's worth.

The player app is getting killed because the empeg is low on memory

ok, I'm having very similar issues, basically, everytime it boots it builds the database, reboots, and repeats. Looking through hyperterm it's having memory issues. I tried installing hijack, adding the reservecache line in my config.ini... but none of these steps seem to help the problem. I went ahead and put 2.0 back on it... but I'd really like to play with the alpha, any ideas?

OK, so here's what i'm getting, I put hijack and the alpha back on and this is what I'm seeing through hyperterm....

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601)
Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
change_root: old root has d_count=1
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8
I see this is a developer image!
Mounting proc
Mounting first music partition
Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19
Mounting second music partition
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply...
Starting player
Hijack: intercepting config.ini

hijack: removed menu entry: "Hard Disk Detection"
hijack: removed menu entry: "Serial Port Assignment"
khttpd: listening on port 80
kftpd: listening on port 21
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
! tunedb_disk.cpp :1182:Database size mismatch error.
LAC construct 0x400de008
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: killing process player
buffermem : 331776
page_cache_size : 428
nr_free_pages : 32
num_physpages : 4096
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...

and it just keeps scrolling that....

On the screen it just says starting user poll thread...

Jerz,
I have found at least a few songs that I got from EMUsic of CCR that will fail on the empeg with even v2.0. I have not checked them on the computer, well actually I downloaded so many I do not even remember which ones are busted...

Sean in NC

I have found at least a few songs that I got from EMUsic of CCR that will fail on the empeg with even v2.0.

Interesting.... but, when I reboot the empeg these tunes will play. I don't really see anything "failing" it's just the empeg no longer is responsive. So my problem with these particular tunes happens only when multiple 128kbps ccr tunes are played in a row. Individually, I don't seem to have that problem unless I play about four or so more in a row. I'll experiment a little more later.

This thread has been discussing things like what bitrates the 3.0 software will play and such.

Please note the following:

1. The 3.0 codebase has been heavily tweaked since that carplayer release. Most of the things you're reporting were also hapening to the Karma, and they fixed them before Karma shipped. So this is mostly going to magically get fixed when Cambridge can get around to another 3.0 carplayer build from the latest code tree.

2. Before you assume that a given bit rate is the problem, PLEASE CHECK THE FILES to make sure they don't have bad frames and such. Use the tools linked from the FAQ for this. The Karma was having a bug where it would stop playing on a corrupted MP3 frame sometimes. This bug was fixed on Karma before it shipped. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the reason for many of the problems reported in this thread, especially since the files in question were downloads.

3. It's known that there will be problems in that version of the codebase with nonstandard sample-rates (not bitrates, SAMPLE rates, i.e., something other than 44.1khz stereo 16 bit). I believe these are already fixed in the 3.0 source tree because we reported it on Karma.

4. It's known that there will be problems with low bit rate files (like lower than 96). Again, reported and I believe fixed on Karma.

Hmm... I'll have to check this out. I had imported the whole backup (I installed a new drive, and am trying A3 at the same time). I just dragged all my folders (artist / album / songs) into the "playlists" folder in Jemplode.

It synched, and I ran with it. I'll have to try re-synching it tonight and see what happens.

It that doesnt work, Ill try the soup view thing. Might do that anyway... Have to look up more about soups..

Ohyeah, the 10 or so songs that were already on the drive (bought used from an empegger) play and show up fine... Just none of the new stuff...

Crossfade is COOL... That alone makes it worth it to me...
Thanks!

Make shure the syntax is correct for ReserveCache=32.

[starup]
ReserveCache=32

I was having the same problem, and this fixed it, Also your log seem to have a problem with the database (size mismatch) folow the procedure to erase your old database, database3, playlists and tags from drive0/var. and let the player recreate them.

Make shure the syntax is correct for ReserveCache=32.

[starup]
ReserveCache=32

In that case, you might want to spell "startup" correctly.

Is this going to be another release for beer issue ?

But i imagine that giving empeg towers free beer could be more counter productive than constructive

No, 128 isn't a "magic number".

I have about 3500 songs loaded, about 2400 of them are 128 KBps MP3's (ok, probably 5% of those are between 128 and 192) and the rest are quality 5 (approx 160 KBps) VBR encoded Ogg's. Probably 99% of them I ripped myself, and everything I rip is diligently checked for frame errors, etc and reripped if necessary.

I am *NOT* having issues with the alpha. I have very clean MP3's, and in fact am in the process of slowly reripping everything to quality level 5 ogg's (I'd rip them higher, but I drive an SUV and road noise cancels out any improvements over QL 5 that I could possibly see).

Please don't run off assuming that 128 KBps MP3's are causing the barfs, because they aren't. What I would question is the relative quality of your MP3's, such as are there framing errors in them, etc. Are they self ripped or are they downloaded? Check each of your problem files for errors, and I'd be willing to bet a frozen dairy confection that you'll start seeing a pattern there.

-- Gary F.

Also your log seem to have a problem with the database

Yeah... I did all those procedures, it's only showing that because the only way I can get the thing to start, to edit the config.ini, is to unplug one of the drives and start it again... then it recreates the database with only one drive...

do you mean [startup]? If so thats exactly how I had it... yup tried just about everything I can think of...

> Check each of your problem files for errors, and I'd be willing to bet a frozen dairy confection that you'll start seeing a pattern there.

What flavor would that be? I know the song that was playing last time it crashed was a Lame encoded, EAC ripped, Encspot guaranteed good file.

It is certainly quite possible that a lot of the other mp3s I have are not as standard though, and that could probably be part of my problem. I also have a lot of 128 files so I can't rule that out either.

Vanilla... I'm a purist

Oh, I'm not saying that is the ONLY thing that will cause it, but I can pretty much guarantee that simply playing 128K MP3's isn't a magic bullet that knocks the empeg to the ground, since about 90% of what I play are 128k encoded MP3's and I've never had a stall, skip or any sort of issue whatsoever.

Of course, I'm slowly replacing everything with 160K ogg as I encode new stuff or reencode old stuff, but I can listen to a couple of hours of 128K stuff straight without any sort of hiccup.

I just want to derail any voodoo along the lines of "oh, 128K files are what's causing V3 to crash" because I simply do not think that's an issue at all, at least it's not for me.

-- Gary F.

Not playing 128kps files would be considered a feature in my book!

VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for player..

I would try enabling swap first. This may be faq'd somewhere, but here is the Cliff's Notes version...

1. Use hyperterm to quit the player (type q or ctrl-c).
2. Type "swapon /swapfile" to turn on swap.
3. Type "rwm" to make the drives writeable.
4. Type "/empeg/bin/player" to restart the player and have it build the databases.
5. Quit the player again with "q" or "ctrl-c".
6. Type "swapoff -a" to disable swap.
7. Type "rom" to remount the drives read only.

-Mike

Encspot guaranteed good file.

I wasn't aware that Encspot tried to verify file integrity. I haven't looked at recent versions but I thought it only reported which encoder was used to encode the file.

I had imported the whole backup (I installed a new drive, and am trying A3 at the same time). I just dragged all my folders (artist / album / songs) into the "playlists" folder in Jemplode.

Yeah, I replaced my 10gig drive in the spare with an 80 last night so I'm now going through the same thing. Any barfing with the alpha when you drug and dropped your files?

I had to downgrade to v2.00 to drag and drop the 60gigs (6900tracks) of mp3's and all is well (so far).

Encspot reports all kinds of file problems too, cut off last frames and sync errors and a couple of other things. I honestly don't know exactly how complete its mp3 checking is but it was the only thing I had handy.

I finally got it all working. I used the v2beta version of Emplode. I found I can only drag about 5-10 (max) albums in at a time, otherwise it will go for about 5-10 albums worth of songs and barf. Keep it to smallish chunks and re-synch often and it seems fine.

BTW, Now that I have my music back on, I LOVE V3a... It is simply amazing. The cross fade alone is soooooooo, soooo worth it. I have only a few comments:

- I was thinking, gee, it would be nice if cross fade was smart enough to not happen if Im "flipping" by songs quickly. Like say I dont like the next song, and hit next. Then I realized that it already does that if you hit next quickly enough. Kudos guys.

- For the beta, or maybe an undocumented feature now, is it possible to mark tracks "no cross fade" or something? When I play pink floyd albums, and stuff like that, I dont want cross fade on. It would be best to be able to mark these tracks ahead of time.

- I have had no lockups. None. Of course, most (90%+) of my mp3's are ripped by me, so maybe I just havent hit a bad one yet.

- I've gotta say, this "Alpha" is more stable than a LOT of "Release code" I've seen in MANY products. We're a peoplesoft shop here at S.U., and this alpha code would be considered very mature by many standards...

Was just thinking again the other day, as I installed my new 60Gig of drives, how much having this "Thing" has totally and irreversably changed the way I listen to music. I still think, what, 4, 5 years after it was first concieved that this is the BEST product for car (and home for that matter) audio I have ever seen or used. Only now is the marketplace even coming close to getting it... Empeg/Riocar was simply about 3-5 years ahead of it's time...

Sorry for gushing, Im sure you all feel the same way. I'd jsut like to take time to personally thank the entire Empeg/riocar team for keeping us going with the best product and best support one could ever hope for.

it would be nice if cross fade was smart enough to not happen if Im "flipping" by songs quickly

As you've noticed, it does this. It's not being smart, though -- it just doesn't have enough of the next track preprocessed in order to do a proper fade, so it doesn't bother.

is it possible to mark tracks "no cross fade" or something?

Or (and I know how insane this request is, but I can at least ask can't I?) set the fade points on a per song basis. For songs you don't want to fade out (or in) you could set this a 0 seconds, but there are a lot of songs that already fade out, and I'd set the fade to begin before the song gets to that point. Of course there'd still have to be a default so you don't have to go through and set this for 3000+ songs. Also some songs with long beginnings could be set to fade in somewhere into the song. This would only have to actually "fade" five seconds (or whatever) of the song, it's just a matter of where it would start.

Anyway, sorry for this, I just had to mention it. Feel free to disregard this post entirely.

Actually, I think an intelligent cross-fade would be nice. I had thought about this before, but hadn't posted the idea yet.

The crossfade algorithm already has the sections-to-be-crossfaded in memory. It could analyze those sections and see if they are a fade out or a fade in, or if they stop suddenly or start suddenly.

For instance, the Rush song "Tom Sawer" opens with a bang that can be clearly seen as a sudden start in the waveform. You wouldn't want to fade that song in because you'd want to hear it start with that bang. But if the song before it was fading out (also clearly seen in the waveform), you could have the bang of Tom Sawyer start somewhere near the end of the fade out, but not completely after it.

is part of the solution to detect if an mp3 has been encoded with --nogap before applying crossfade ? Is this detectable ?

I don't know how it would be detectable. There's nothing special about the resulting frames AFAIK.

Very nice, thanks... been waiting for cross fading for a long time. I installed it on my player after backing it up and haven't had any problems so far.

By reading this thread, I assume there is no "sync" function to music on the hard disk with 3.0. Am I correct? Too bad

_T

I think you're confused.

I just tried using Emplode2.10 with V3.0 alpha to upload twenty songs. It had errors during the sync......It hosed my entire database of files.....55Gb worth. Any ideas besides sticking my head between my legs and kissing my a$$ goodbye? Really, is there anything I can do to get back all the music lost?

Did you try downgrading to v2.00?

Yeah, I just got done loading V2.00RC and did a sync in Emplode 2.00 and all was OK again. I am currently reinstalling V3.0 Alpha and I will just go back to 2.00RC when I need to load new music on the player. Thanks for the quick response though. That was the worst feeling I've had in years.

It's slower, but I have had zero problems uploading via USB with 3.00alpha3 on the player and emplode 2.1 on the PC.

(I can't modify files or create new playlists without emplode crashing.)

--Nathan

I know the feeling... I ran into a bug with an early 2.00 beta (11 I think?) where if you cut and paste anything, emplode would forget to paste it. But you didn't realize until the sync where you'd see "Now deleteing ......"

I was reorganizing my playlists and cut all the "C" artists from "Artists C-D" to put into its own playlist. They were all gone. What stunk was that I had a lot of remixes and stuff in there (like if the Chemical Brothers remixed a Prodigy song, a copy was in Artists C-D) so I never really knew what I lost and what I didn't lose.

I had to re-rip them all.... why do The Cure have so many damn CDs?

V3a don' t work in my MK2a,
after upload i try to access in dev mode with hyper term anq when i press "q" key to entrer in console it says:

q
fake_tu
r8 = 00000001 r7 = BFFFFF64 r6 = 021B0F44 r5 = 00000001g on port 80
fake_tuner:
r4 = 021B0E4400
Function entered at [<02035d0c>] from [<02024520>]ed=00
fake_tu
r8 = 0217CED4 r7 = 00000000 r6 = 020000C0 r5 = BFFFFF64ake_tuner: ignored=002035dac>]
r4 = 00000001memory violati
Function entered at [<02024510>] from
Remounting first music partition read-only
F
Remounting second music partition read-only
r7 : 021fcf14 r6 : 0000002f r5 : 0000002
No secondary hard disk
Abnormal player termination
Press Ctrl-A to enter pum
Player received signal 11
Starting playerr2 : 00008000
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1490
LAC construct 0x400b0008ntered at [<020d3178>] f
Using non-standard cache size 42 (adjustment 48)
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1490 Jun 24 2374>
pc : [<0214810c>] lr : [<00000000>]
Function entered at [<02002
sp : bffffc04 ip : bffffc24 fp : bffffc20 [<020e5914>]
r10: 021d2b80 r9 : 00000000 r8 : bffffcf4
r6 = BFFFFEB0 r5 = 00000002 r
r7 : 02210b78 r6 : 021d1fd8 r5 : 00000340 r4 : 02210838
r5 =
r3 : 022107b8 r2 : 021d1fe0 r1 : 00000080 r0 : 021d1fd8021B0F44 r5 = 00000001
Flags: nZcv IRQs on FIQs on Mode USER_32 Segment user r4 = 021B0E44 from [<02035c

Control: C0F7517D Table: C0F7517D DAC: 00000015
Function entered at [<020d2fb8>] from [<020d318c>]ayer
No seconda
Hijack: i
r8 = BFFFFF64 r7 = 00000001 r6 = 00000003 r5 = 021FCCA4
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/
r4 = 00000000
Function entered at [<020d
bfake_tuner: ignored=
fake_tuner:
fake_tuner: ignored=00
r6 = BFFFFEB0 r5 = 00000002 r4 = BFFFFE608=00ered at [<02033ab0>]
Function entered at [<020e58d4>] from [<02079a48>]e size 42 (adjustment 48)e_tuner: ignored=00: igno
r4 = BFFFFE60
Function entered at [<02035aec>] from [<02035dac>]
r8 = 00000001 r7 = BFFFFF64 r6 = 021B0F44 r5 = 00000001
r4 = 021B0E44
Function entered at [<02035d0c>] from [<02024520>]
r8 = 0217CED4 r7 = 00000000 r6 = 020000C0 r5 = BFFFFF64
r4 = 00000001
Function entered at [<02024510>] from [<02133548>]
Function entered at [<0213346c>] from [<02000104>]
r10 = 00000000 r8 = 00000000 r7 = 00000000 r6 = 00000000
r5 = 00000000 r4 = 00000000
Restored terminal settings
Remounting first music partition read-only
Remounting second music partition read-only
No secondary hard disk
Abnormal player termination
Player received signal 11
Starting player
player.cpp : 602:empeg-car 3.00-alpha3 2003/07/02.
LAC construct 0x400b0008
Using non-standard cache size 42 (
Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1490 Jun 24 2003uner: ignored=00tment 48)00000001 r7
Vcb: 0x401fc000
serial_notify_thread.cpp: 170:@@ S05 = 000

any idea?

P.S.: i'm returned with v2b13

Press Ctrl+C instead of 'q'.

Well, I reloaded V2.00, synced and all was fine. So I decided since I got everything back to normal that I would load V3.0 Alpha back onto the player and just not use it to sync at all. Once I did that it Semi-Hosed my player again. I think all my tracks are still on the player, but now my playlists and sub-playlists are all under the Emplode Playlists heading at the top level. So some of the playlists are empty and have to be matched up with their respective parent and child directories. To fix that from within emplode seems like a lot of work. So in lieu of doing all that repair work to the playlist structure, I was thinking about doing this:

I have most of the music on my PC organized in folders: Mp3files- A-D, E-H, I-K, L-O, P-S, T-W, X-Z and then from there by ARTIST\ ALBUM. I might just delete everything from the player and reload everything again since that will be as simple as dragging and dropping each A-D etc. folder into emplode and then doing a sync for each section of the alphabet.

The only thing is I might lose some of the playlists I made that were filled with various tracks for different moods. Is there any way I can back up these type of playlists on my hard drive of my PC without actually having to have copies of the actual tracks in the directory?

Any suggestions on any of the above to make this process easier would be appreciated.
Thanks.

any idea?

I had that.... I think my database must have been too big or just plain buggy. I tried everything mentioned in this thread to fix it and a few other half baked ideas. I should also note, I posted a few things I was getting here, but I was getting a lot of strange behavior I don't know what the cause was but I ended up rebuilding the disks and reloading all my music. It was a pain but in the end it was well worth it, I'm really enjoying the new player software and features. I do have an issue where about every 5 songs or so it'll hang 5 or 10 seconds into the song but continues after a couple of seconds. It's nothing major but a little annoying at times, other then that it's all good.

Once I did that it Semi-Hosed my player again.

I don't mean to make light of your troubles, and you in particular probably don't need this reminder... but for the benefit of others reading this thread, please go back and re-read the very first post, where Rob says, among other things,

Do not load this release onto your player unless you are prepared for everything to go horribly wrong. As the release notes state, this is an alpha release and may not be stable. It could spoil your day in any number of ways!
...
THERE WILL BE NO SUPPORT FOR THIS RELEASE BEYOND THE GOOD WILL OF THE BBS MEMBERS.
Warned have you been.


tanstaafl.

Funny that you reply right now. I just got finished not more than ten minutes ago running Disc Builder on my 2 drives. I loaded 2.00RC and synced a few times before trying to load any music. Currently, I am uploading about 1000 tracks to the freshly formatted drives. The fact that 3.0 Alpha hosed my player is not really an issue for me. I like yourself meant my post to warn others of what happened to me and save others from any problems that I went through. I really needed to get my playlists straightened out anyway. My folders on my PC are nice and neat so I am just gonna start copying & pasting the new file structure into Emplode. I am still tempted to load 3.0 Alpha on once I get all my music back on the player. It worked fine until I tried to load music on it. So if I need to load music I can just revert back to 2.00RC. Then again, maybe I'll just load it on my spare unit to play around with where nothing major will get messed up. By the way I don't know where you are right now, but the Yankees just tied it up in the 8th and I can hardly type at this point..........WARNING: Block your Eyes and Ears..........
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By the way.... The Drive Upgrade instructions on RioCar.org are fantastic. Cheers to Dan Wallach & Rod Little.

[quote]
Press Ctrl+C instead of 'q'.
-- roger
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thanks, now is ok

Cheers to Dan Wallach & Rod Little.

They provided the photos, the upgrade guide is mostly mine. Well, I did the writing. The information contained in the guide is from the BBS and from the Cambridge folks. Perhaps it should say so somewhere on the page?