[*snip*] I thought I'd try my hand at getting the Karma to hook into jEmplode (since I prefer the jEmplode interface). Anyone interested in playing around with a very very alpha version of this? Note that you will likely be able to do wacky things that don't make sense to the karma (like the UI will let you do hierarchical playlists and the Karma will not). I've not actually tried to see what it does if I do that

Peter posted that he got the Empeg to hook into RMM

Ahem! Technically, Mike, I posted that on a private beta forum with all NDAs and stuff. It does kinda work, but there's some genuine engineering to do before it could even figure in a v3 alpha, so it's no good getting people "on the outside" all excited about it.

Note that you will likely be able to do wacky things that don't make sense to the karma (like the UI will let you do hierarchical playlists and the Karma will not). I've not actually tried to see what it does if I do that

I expect they'd work fine in the Playlists menu, but the Organise menu would behave oddly. Also, they'd get deliberately flattened (attached to the root) the next time you connected RMM to it.

Peter

Sorry about that -- I have riovolution and beta open together so often I was thinking you posted that on riovolution.

I edited my original to remove that sentence, but you have it quoted ... If you can edit yours, then we will successfully have revisionist-historied this thread. Now to hunt down the people who have viewed it so far .........

Well I can take my cyanide pill now if you want?

Sorry about that -- I have riovolution and beta open together so often I was thinking you posted that on riovolution.

No worries, it's an easy thing to do. There's no real need to be revisionist about it -- we'd already announced that we were planning to do this (although, looking back, that seems to have been you too...)

It's just that I didn't want anyone thinking there's going to be a new v3 alpha with this stuff in right away...

Peter

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that seems to have been you too...

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Double whammy ... They're going to take away my beta passport.

ms

I'd play with that.

where can we download the latest build that is compatible with the karma?

It's not up just yet ... I need to run a couple things by Rob first to see if it's OK to release or not.

Hey, I heard that there is going to be a new v3alpha with this stuff in pretty soon...

Very funny ... Are you /trying/ to make Peter yell at me more?

I expect they'd work fine in the Playlists menu, but the Organise menu would behave oddly.

Wait. So right now, we have hierarcial playlist capabilities on the Karma?

I might buy one soon then. This is the big thing stopping me so far, since I have had the empeg mentality for quite a long time. I do understand that this would not be supported at this time, similar to the v3 alpha, but at least it is an option.

This is the big thing stopping me so far,

Yeah... That and tweak order functions. If those two features ever make it to the Karma, I will probably have to buy one again.

I don't think that's what's being said at all. I read the post more as: "Jemplode has heirarchical playlists (for empeg), but Karma doesn't understand them so weird thing are likely to happen".

Don't get me wrong, I think they'd be great to have, but I don't think Mike's saying that. I'd love to be wrong!


-Zeke

It seems that hierarchical playlist browsing/selection just works (I had no idea it would do, but I guess it makes sense since the code grew from the car player). It is likely that the on board playlist editor will barf at this, and there could be other issues - I'll give it a spin tomorrow if I have time. Assuming it doesn't add any great instability then I will be happy for Mike to release the code to a limited audience, but it cannot become an official build until the player full supports the functionality.

It's funny that Mike has been working on this just at the same time that Peter has been working on the reverse - switching on Karma features for the car player. Soup views looked cool There are some issues to solve before it can be released, though!

Rob

Hi Rob,
That is excellent news! Thanks for the infomation! I may find it hard to sleep at night now

So what would this mean for UI? Would the Empeg get a Karma-like UI or will it retain it's previous Empeg UI ...

I haven't put any sources, or installers up yet (just because it's kind of a pain to get it all together), but you can grab the jars here:

http://www.inzyme.com/rio/empeg/

So this requires that you put the latest rmmlite.jar ( http://www.inzyme.com/rio ) into jEmplode's classpath ... If you run jEmplode with the installer exe, you can edit the jEmplode.lax file and look for lax.class.path and change it to:

lax.class.path=lib/rmmlite.jar;lib/jemplode.jar;lib/comm.jar;lax.jar

(assuming you put an rmmlite.jar in your jEmplode/lib folder -- you can make that an absolute path if you have it somewhere else)

Remember, this is alpha quality, so you'll definitely run into things will that will outright fail (for instance if you try to do a Screen Grab, or something like that, it will fail because Karma doesn't provide an API for that).

As Rob said in his post, one really cool thing about this release is that hierarchical playlists actually DO work on the Karma, it just hasn't been exposed (or refined/tested/etc) in the manager UI's. I've only done a little bit of playing, but I was able to put an initial jEmplode custom soup onto the Karma. One caveat there is that I write the query for the custom soups into tags on the playlists ... In previous firmwares (haven't verified this in current ones), those custom tags weren't able to be read back off, so you'll lose the auto-updating aspect after you transfer it ... but it's good for a snapshot.

Good luck and godspeed. If you become very badly burned or shot in the arm by your Karma, jEmplode, or anything related to this release, I absolve myself of all guilt up front.

ms

And here I sit _sooo_ corrected. Suh-weet!

-Zeke

Did you try it ? I couldn't get jemplode to find the karma.

Me neither. I get

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/rio/protocol/PearlSynchronizeClient
at org.jempeg.empeg.manager.Main.main(Main.java:107)

after jemplode starts. I'm assuming that this class is in the rmmlite.jar that jemplode needs to find in the classpath. But, nothing I do can make it be found.

I'm trying to just execute the jar directly by using java -jar -cp rmmlite.jar jemplode.jar, but no matter what other things I put in the -cp option, or where I actually put rmmlite.jar, I can't make it work.

I didn't get an error I just get the icon for the player saying loading forever.

I was trying it on my mac. I tried it on my pc and when I run jemplode.jar I get a BSOD.

Here's what I did.

Download and install the latest jemplode installer for windows.

Download the jemplode.jar and rmml.jar linked.

Added rmml.jar to jemplode/lib and replaced the jemplode.jar in jemplode/lib with the downloaded one.

Edited jemplode.lax.

Did I miss anything ?

I didn't get an error I just get the icon for the player saying loading forever.

Well, I get that too. But on the terminal window that I launched it from, I get the error.

I didn't run it from a terminal I just double clicked the jemplode.jar icon.

Hence, no feedback about why it won't work.

java -classpath c:/whatever/rmmlite.jar;c:/whataever2/jemplode.jar org.jempeg.empeg.manager.Main

I believe with -jar you can't also specify additional classpath (you have to instead define the classpath inside of the MANIFEST.MF file in the jar itself).

You also can't just double click on the jar for this -- you will have to make a batch file with that line in it (for the time being). On linux, you'll want to change the ";" to a ":" in the classpath separator.

ms

Do you get a BSOD if you just run the latest jEmplode without rmmlite.jar added? Just curious to try and narrow down the problems ... you can try running it from the commandline (check my response to the other two having problems)

ms

I'm temporarily yanking the jar ... It should be back soon.