#194847 - 07/02/2004 19:58
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Mmm.. accidental or otherwise, this one is definitely a keeper!
You better keep it, it was removed from the web site.
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#194848 - 07/02/2004 19:58
Re: Merry Christmas
[Re: rob]
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Registered: 18/02/2002
Posts: 335
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It seems to be working fine on my MK2. I had no problem with the install of alpha 6. If it is stable enough ill likely put it on my main player.
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#194849 - 07/02/2004 20:33
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 13/07/2002
Posts: 634
Loc: Jesusland
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Huh... I loaded 3.63 and when I flip through info to transient my player starts spontaneously rebooting.
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#194850 - 07/02/2004 20:43
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Jerz]
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Registered: 13/07/2002
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Loc: Jesusland
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Well, I loaded hijack 3.56 and I still get the spontaeous reboot when I flip through info. I have to time it just right so I can get it on the track detail to end the spontaeous rebooting.
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#194851 - 07/02/2004 20:45
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Jerz]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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"Doctor, it hurts when I do this..."
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#194852 - 07/02/2004 21:11
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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CVS now up to date with Hijack v363 as well.
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#194853 - 07/02/2004 21:57
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 06/06/2001
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"Well, then, don' t do that..."
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#194854 - 07/02/2004 22:26
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Chuck]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
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Too bad it's not on line anymore! Anyone who wants to share with the unlucky ones who could not grab it? 
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= Taym =
MK2a #040103216 * 100Gb *All/Colors* Radio * 3.0a11 * Hijack = taympeg
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#194855 - 07/02/2004 22:39
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Chuck]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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And then it was gone... 
Damn - missed out.
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Christian
#40104192 120Gb (no longer in my E36 M3, won't fit the E46 M3)
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#194856 - 07/02/2004 22:46
Re: Merry Christmas
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I put it up for Tony to test just before I left work and I forgot to erase it. Tony reported total failure, which seems to be due to too much cache allocated. This release may be no good for anything but 16MB players. Not that it is a release. Yeah, but I had forgotten that I put in a pretty large ReserveCache setting in order for Emphatic and GPSapp to behave themselves together. So I'll bet it's that simple, changing the reservecache might just let it build the database without crashing.
Hm. I only run Emphatic and GPSapp in DC mode, so in theory I could put ;@DC in front of reservecache too, couldn't I? Then it would build fine on AC (the only place it ever needs to do a build) and reservecache would (in theory) still work on DC mode when it's not trying to do database builds.
Hm, worth a try anyhoo.
Of course, I'd need to grab updated versions of GPSapp and Emphatic so that they play nice with the new fonts in V3... Do such builds exist?
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#194857 - 08/02/2004 09:58
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Taym]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Too bad it's not on line anymore! Anyone who wants to share with the unlucky ones who could not grab it? My guess is that alpha 7 will be along reasonably shortly. We'll fix the insert-into-empty-playlist thing (it's already fixed on the Karma branch, I just need to do a merge), the crash with two vorbis streams in the same ogg file, the non-gaplessness of vorbis, and hopefully the transient info thing and the reported problem with --nogap MP3s.
I'll also try and make it say unambiguously when it's run out of memory building the database, rather than having it reboot only to fail again for the same reason. As tfabris and dbrashear have already implied, if it's failing for you and you've set a non-zero ReserveCache, you should try it with zero, or at least a lot less than you had for v2. It's likely that, except for the smallest databases, ReserveCache is going to have to be zero on 12Mb players (i.e. Empeg-branded Mark 2, as opposed to Rio-branded Mark 2a).Obviously this is going to impact third-party software, but at the end of the day you've only got so much RAM, and you've got to choose whose code you want in it -- ours or theirs...
Setting ReserveCache to zero on AC only is unlikely to be helpful: only the results of the database build is stored in the cache, so if your ReserveCache is too high to allow rebuilding the database, it's going to be too high to load it at all.
Having said all that, my Mark 2 doesn't currently spin down at all, with ReserveCache=0 and only about 5,000 songs on it -- though that might be a separate bug. Does anyone have it working well on a 12Mb player?
Peter
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#194858 - 08/02/2004 10:33
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 18/02/2002
Posts: 335
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It seemd to be working fine on my mark 2, but then I started getting the spontaneous reboots. Also sometimes the player seems to still be responding to commands, it will just stop playing music. My player seems to be spinning down, I didn't change any reservecache settings from default. Overall I really like the features of the V3 alphas, just doesnt seem stable enough for my main player.
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#194859 - 08/02/2004 11:05
Re: Merry Christmas
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Of course, I'd need to grab updated versions of GPSapp and Emphatic so that they play nice with the new fonts in V3... Do such builds exist? I can only speak for the latter, and the answer is "not yet. But soon." And I'm doing my very best to make it memory-friendly. The problem is, with larger music collections, at some point it becomes an exercise in trying to fiit 10 lbs of crap into a 5lb bag. And when music collections get big, the only recourse is to steal memory from the player's cache. The obvious downside of taking cache memory away from the player is that the disk spins up more often (or possibly stays spun up.) But it also seems that with every new release, less and less RAM is available for cache and/or 3rd party apps, which is disappointing. If this trend continues, I might have to stop upgrading, as I have every feature I need now, except for what emphatic provides.
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#194860 - 08/02/2004 11:15
Re: Merry Christmas
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Take music out of your database 
I think I posted vfdlib v4 gpsapp when I did vfdlib v4.
If not, well, let's see what the answer is to the v361+ and gpsapp problem first.
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#194861 - 08/02/2004 11:16
alpha6 more minor issue
[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Hit "search" 3 times to search by title. Each button press to match a character of the title causes a pause in playback. Pressing "ok" to choose a track, and navigating in the list of tracks showing, does not appear to.
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#194862 - 08/02/2004 11:30
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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Does the Info Transient mode not work for anybody else? The info line appears then instead of slowly sliding out of view it'll disappear. During the time when it should be sliding out there is a 1 pixel width vertical line on the left which flickers. It's about the height of the text I'm assuming. I'm not sure if this a known problem or what...
Also, should the Aux Info screen be reverse video? The end of the track line has a flickery bit at well...
Edited by tman (08/02/2004 11:40)
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#194863 - 08/02/2004 14:23
vfdlib v4 gpsapp binary
[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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Also has the duplicate waypoint patch which isn't currently in a gpsapp release.
Attachments
201845-gpsapp (351 downloads)
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#194864 - 08/02/2004 14:41
Re: vfdlib v4 gpsapp binary
[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Rock, grabbing now, thanks!
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#194865 - 08/02/2004 15:44
Re: vfdlib v4 gpsapp binary
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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you grabbed the new kernel? (or backed out to pre 361)
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#194866 - 09/02/2004 01:46
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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While you are there if possible here's my list of alpha5/6 bugs:
Apparently fixed in alpha 6:
1) Stereo separation / mono bug
2) Database rebuild
Still in alpha 6:
3) Down, Down.L doesn't take you to last playlist - rather it simply inserts/enqueues whatever you did last time.
4) RDS info is inverted and ugly particularly with letters with the top row of pixels set (like E, T, etc) since there is no border.
5) Entering search mode and each letter after that causes brief pause in playback if drives are spun down I think. Can't tell exactly if drives are spun down because of...
6) Hard drive indicator seems permanently set to the small filled in icon.
7) All menus seem to have the text one pixel too high making them look a bit ugly. This wasn't in Alpha3 IIRC but appeared in Alpha5 or Alpha6.
Thanks for the continuing support and new software guys.
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Christian
#40104192 120Gb (no longer in my E36 M3, won't fit the E46 M3)
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#194867 - 09/02/2004 02:56
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Shonky]
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member
Registered: 30/06/1999
Posts: 179
Loc: Switzerland
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What about the other Alpha5 bugs I reported before? Are they fixed in Alpha6?
- Beeps does not seems to work anymore
- Pitchbend is delayed by about 3 seconds
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#194868 - 09/02/2004 04:33
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: Shonky]
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member
Registered: 03/02/2002
Posts: 101
Loc: Sweden
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I found a (hopefully unknown :-)) bug today.
When listening to radio and calling on the phone, the phone-symbol apears but the sound is not muted.
I suspect it has something to do with that I have the player to pause when it gets a call, not mute - and thats a little hard to do with the radio. :-)
/Fredrik
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#194869 - 09/02/2004 04:44
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: eliceo]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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It seemd to be working fine on my mark 2, but then I started getting the spontaneous reboots. Also sometimes the player seems to still be responding to commands, it will just stop playing music. Now that's very interesting, especially the audio deadlock while still responding to commands. By that do you mean that menus etc. still worked? If you try to play something from the menus, does it play, or stay stuck at 0:00? Was there any specific thing you could do to provoke it?
Peter
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#194870 - 09/02/2004 06:55
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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Peter, I know that none of us are officially Alpha testers, but is there any way that we can report things in a way that better helps the collection of these reports? Is there some sort of standard format? Are we just bugging you with stuff you already know?
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#194871 - 09/02/2004 07:34
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Now that's very interesting, especially the audio deadlock while still responding to commands. By that do you mean that menus etc. still worked? If you try to play something from the menus, does it play, or stay stuck at 0:00? Was there any specific thing you could do to provoke it?
I've seen this behavior before when the player could not read from the second disk due to a cable problem. The player would continue to function correctly but the music would stop playing.
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#194872 - 09/02/2004 11:48
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 18/02/2002
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The intersting part is that if it rebooted it would continue to play only the current playlist. If you tried to switch the playlist sometimes it would give that stall of the music, where it would appear that pause was not on but would not play any music and timers stayed at the beginning of each track. Stragely enough eventually if I picked a playlist it liked, it would begin playing. It seems like when it is playing alpha 6 is pretty stable, but if you get stuck in one of the reboot modes , or this stopping of music it just gets sort of ugly.
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#194873 - 09/02/2004 12:02
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: eliceo]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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The intersting part is that if it rebooted it would continue to play only the current playlist. If you tried to switch the playlist sometimes it would give that stall of the music, where it would appear that pause was not on but would not play any music and timers stayed at the beginning of each track. Stragely enough eventually if I picked a playlist it liked, it would begin playing. It seems like when it is playing alpha 6 is pretty stable, but if you get stuck in one of the reboot modes , or this stopping of music it just gets sort of ugly. 1-drive or 2-drive player? Mark 2 or 2a? If there are playlists it likes and playlists it doesn't, perhaps the physical connection to one or other drive is flaky? Of course, if you have a 1-drive player, that couldn't be the problem.
Peter
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#194874 - 09/02/2004 15:00
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 18/02/2002
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It is a 2 drive mk2 player, the drives are 2 30 gb fujitsus pulled out of my 60 gb mk2a and then reformatted. I have never seen the disk not found errors on this player, the cable *seems* to be ok.
IIRC one playlist would play just fine, but reselecting it would cause it to pause. It was a strange error, and I don't think I can recreate it on purpose.
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#194875 - 09/02/2004 15:05
Re: Hijack v363
[Re: eliceo]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31600
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I have never seen the disk not found errors on this player And if it were only the second drive that were failing, you wouldn't. Instead, you would get strange intermittent pauses and sometimes certain playlists wouldn't play.
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#194876 - 09/02/2004 17:50
Serial notify in v3-alpha
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14496
Loc: Canada
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Mmmm.. I have not noticed this before (but it may have been present in earlier v3alphas), but the player's "serial notify" information is now being output differently than in v2final. Anyone else see this?
With Hijack installed, /proc/empeg_notify is not working (no data) on v3alpha6, because the data is being tagged as "from_user" within the kernel, whereas in v2final is is tagged as "not from_user". Weird. I'll fix Hijack to cope, but I'm curious what changed this.. ?
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