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#201572 - 31/01/2004 12:59 Do-Not-Call list
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Can anyone out there give me an impression of how effective the Do-Not-Call list is? That is, is there anyone out there that was getting a lot of telemarketing calls before it went into effect and also put his phone number on the list that can tell me if the number of calls he's receiving has diminished?

I'm thinking of getting rid of my PrivacyDirector service now that it should no longer be useful, especially since the government has required telemarketers to provide caller ID info.

Thanks.
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#201573 - 31/01/2004 13:02 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
Mine went away 100% except for political surveys and companies that I do business with (DirecTV called for some dumb offer). But the other calls are GONE and I love it.
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#201574 - 31/01/2004 13:05 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Cool. How many were you getting before? Anyone else?
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#201575 - 31/01/2004 13:55 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
I used to hate weekends. I remember one Saturday I got ten calls. TEN! It got to the point I was answering the phone with "what do you want" in my nastiest voice. I would get at least 5 a weekend every weekend. I would get maybe one every other day on weekdays, just because I am at work most of the day. I would get one message a week on my answering machine from some stupid automated salesmachine that did not realize that it was not talking to a human. It drove me completely bonkers.

Since the list started, it has been blissful silence. I haven't gotten a junk call in 3 weeks, and only maybe 2 or 3 since it started. This is the best thing that the goverment has ever done for me. Word alone can not describe how much I love this. It brings tears to my eyes.
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#201576 - 31/01/2004 14:14 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
Cybjorg
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Registered: 23/12/2002
Posts: 652
Loc: Winston Salem, NC
Same here. I was getting at least one call per evening, and sometimes several more during the day. Now the calls have pretty much completely stopped, aside from the ones you mentioned.

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#201577 - 31/01/2004 14:19 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
I didn't even think about it until I saw this thread but I don't get any sales call now and I used to get a ton especially ones for home improvements, lawn care services and credit cards.
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#201578 - 31/01/2004 14:21 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: ninti]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
If they could only stop my Inbox from getting SPAM....

Bitt, I was getting at least 2 a night. Now I've gotten 3 since it passed.
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#201579 - 31/01/2004 14:34 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
Ditto. If I was ever at home during the day, the phone would be ringing maybe once an hour with phone spam. I'd get home at night and there would be five pre-recorded spams on the answering machine. I did the national do-not-call list and it's all completely disappeared.

Now, my only problem is that my phone number is apparently one digit off from some kind of tax lawyer and/or collections service. I'm not really sure, but I'll regularly get phone messages from exasperated patrons offering to discuss their bills with me. Oddly, they all seem to call during the day when I'm not home.

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#201580 - 31/01/2004 14:47 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: DWallach]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
hehe, you just reminded me of when I worked for a bike shop and our number was "1-800-PEDAL-IT". The phone company tried to talk the owner out of it, but he could not be swayed.... Ends up, it was a former phone sex number! 1-800-RED-?LIT!! And the number had been printed up in who knows how many Hustler mags! (And this was before the 'net really took off, like 1994 or so. Phone sex lines were busy). The worst was Saturday mornings... You'd answer the phone and you'd just hear breathing....
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#201581 - 31/01/2004 15:03 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: DWallach]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
My number is one digit off from a restaurant. I've never gotten frustrated enough to take reservations but it was close for a while...

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#201582 - 31/01/2004 15:14 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
Ditto, though it wasn't as bad as everyone else -- I was only getting about one or two a week. Now it's just the Red Cross wanting me to give them more blood.

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#201583 - 31/01/2004 15:19 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
genixia
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
Save your money Bitt!

DNC is one of those rareties - something set up by the Govt that works much better than expected. We went from a dozen plus calls a week to one in a blue moon.
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#201584 - 31/01/2004 15:40 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
g_attrill
old hand

Registered: 14/04/2002
Posts: 1172
Loc: Hants, UK
We have a similar setup in the UK but it's never had any big advertising apart from the telephone directories and mentions in the newspaper etc.

My gran wasn't on it but after she was complaining about getting several phone calls every evening I signed her up to it and she said she will maybe get one call every other weekend and as soon as she mentions "telephone preferen...." they hang straight up!

I keep telling her to get the name of the company first so that she can report them but no luck.

They do a junk mail version too (Mailing Preference Service) and that cut back the crap she gets posted a huge amount. It's administered by the UK DMA but seems to be very reputable.

Gareth

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#201585 - 31/01/2004 20:45 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Daria]
foxtrot_xray
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Registered: 03/03/2002
Posts: 687
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Heh.. My old number was one off from an Equipment Rental place.

Yeah, we took reservations.

Me.
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#201586 - 31/01/2004 20:53 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
foxtrot_xray
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Registered: 03/03/2002
Posts: 687
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Dump the privacy detector. Don't need it anymore.

I work in the industry (okay. NOW everyone hates me..) not doing the actual calls, my company MAKES the dialers that dial on 300+ lines for gawd knows how many folks.

The DNC thing works, if you haven't signed up, do so. Some things to watch out for, however:

1. You'll still get calls from people you did business with up to 18 months afterward.
2. Be wary of filling out any Sweepstakes, or any giveaway. They are now putting clauses in there saying that by entering, you forfeit your DNC status, and will be called by them (or whomever is calling for them and any subsidaries.)
3. If you get called, make sure the company's calling you is in the US before being a jerk and threatening them. While many centers are in the US here, many companies have centers in Canada doing the calling. They're exempt. As is anyone from outside the US. (What's sad, that noone ever thought of, is people losing their jobs because companies are moving their said 500+ centers TO Canada and Mexico.)
4. Non Profits are exempt as well..
5. If you do get called, from a company in the US, don't go off on them. The person calling you has NO FRIGGIN' CLUE. Just ask to speak to the manager, and THEN go off on them.

As for the caller ID, it's stil in the works, since different LEC (Local Exchange Carriers, i.e. Bellsouth) never really set a standard for transmitting Caller ID info. So as of last Thursday, everything went to hell. (For example, found out that PacBell's system was locking up Bellsouth's system when all the CallerID stuff started going thru, because of a mismatched bit in the protocol.)

Ah, fun stuff. Reminds me of work.

Hey, wait.
Me.
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#201587 - 31/01/2004 23:31 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: foxtrot_xray]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
3. If you get called, make sure the company's calling you is in the US before being a jerk and threatening them. While many centers are in the US here, many companies have centers in Canada doing the calling. They're exempt. As is anyone from outside the US.
IIRC, there was a court decision not too long ago that US companies contracting their call centers to firms outside the US are still required to abide by the DNC list, since the company being advertised for is still a US company. Can't find a google link, though.

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#201588 - 31/01/2004 23:58 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: wfaulk]
ithoughti
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Registered: 17/07/2001
Posts: 721
Loc: Boston, MA USA
I haven't had ANY telemarketer calls in a long time...

oh wait, that's because I only have a cell phone.

...mmmmm...brain tumors...

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#201589 - 01/02/2004 00:34 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: ithoughti]
Daria
carpal tunnel

Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
As it happens we ignore our landline and only use our cells, but the landline doesn't ring anymore anyway.

I wonder if the ringer is even on.

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#201590 - 01/02/2004 03:24 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Daria]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5680
Loc: London, UK
As it happens we ignore our landline and only use our cells

I wonder how prevalent this is these days. The only reason that we've got a landline is 'cos you need one to get DSL. I very rarely make or receive any calls on it. It can be quite useful when you've left your mobile somewhere else in the flat and can't find it -- how else are you going to phone it to make it ring?
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#201591 - 01/02/2004 04:06 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Roger]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
I still use my landline a lot. Much more so than my mobile. Mainly because it's a lot cheaper. Calling for one hour landline to landline costs about 1.5 euros here. Calling for one hour on my mobile easily costs about 10 times as much. (there are also subscriptions that are cheaper, but the subscription fee is A LOT higher too then)
Calling landline to mobile is a bit cheaper than mobile to mobile, but since a lot of my contacts only have a mobile phone these days, the cost of calling mobile phones is easily 80% of the landline bill, while it's not even 20% of the calling time.
I mainly use my mobile for texting and to be reachable, not for calling itself.
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#201592 - 01/02/2004 08:27 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Roger]
foxtrot_xray
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Registered: 03/03/2002
Posts: 687
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Don't have a house phone, myself.After the house went up, BellSouth never offered DSL like they said they were, so my roomie and I droped it. We have cable 'net, and if we lose a cel, we use the other to call it.
Me.
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#201593 - 01/02/2004 08:44 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: foxtrot_xray]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
I've got a landline for ADSL and the few companies that require a landline number instead of a mobile. I use my mobile for everything else though.

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#201594 - 01/02/2004 10:39 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Roger]
Daria
carpal tunnel

Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
I can't get DSL. Too far, and Verizon is too cheap to drop the $6k piece of equipment in their vault so we'd be close enough.

I have 2 other cell phones on my plan, my wife's and my Treo (a.k.a. the portable internet source) so it's not much of a challenge finding *a* phone.

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#201595 - 01/02/2004 11:08 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Daria]
morrisdl
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Registered: 21/08/2000
Posts: 346
Loc: Rochester, NY USA
My former Employer's number is 800-FOOD-NOW which is also the same number as 800-DO-ME-NOW apparently. Lots of disappointed callers.
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#201596 - 01/02/2004 12:52 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Roger]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
I wonder how prevalent this is these days. The only reason that we've got a landline is 'cos you need one to get DSL.

Qwest (formally US West back then) botched the rollout of DSL for the most part. You still can't get anything much above 640k down without paying a fortune. So most people around here went other routes, such as wireless or cable. My new house doesn't even connect to a landline, though I suppose I should order one month of phone service just so Qwest puts down the wire before I landscape the back yard.
I very rarely make or receive any calls on it. It can be quite useful when you've left your mobile somewhere else in the flat and can't find it -- how else are you going to phone it to make it ring?

I've lost mine a few times over the years, and have found it again by sending it e-mail to the SMS gateway address, if I didn't have someone elses cell phone handy.

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#201597 - 01/02/2004 14:20 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: drakino]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5680
Loc: London, UK
You still can't get anything much above 640k down without paying a fortune.

Extra downstream bandwidth isn't too pricey here (an extra £10/month takes you from 512Kbps to 1Mbps), but it's not accompanied by an increase in upstream bandwidth (it's 256Kbps for both), and BT aren't offering SDSL wholesale yet.
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#201598 - 01/02/2004 17:58 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: Roger]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5914
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
BT aren't offering SDSL wholesale yet

That isn't quite true, they are offering it but it is very expensive and available only on a limited set of exchanges.

With an undertstanding ISP ( http://www.aaisp.net/multiline.html ) and a load balencing router at each end it is far cheaper to get 4 512/256 ADSL lines (resulting in 2048/1024) than to get a single 1024/1024 SDSL line.
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#201599 - 02/02/2004 21:38 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: ninti]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5539
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
I remember one Saturday I got ten calls

I have little sympathy for somebody who actually answers telephone calls, particularly on a Saturday morning.



I can't even remember the last time I picked up my telephone before the answering machine had let me know who was calling. My rule of thumb for a ringing telephone is, "Is there anybody I want to talk to more than whatever I am doing right now?" and the answer is inevitably NO.

tanstaafl.
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#201600 - 02/02/2004 21:41 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: DWallach]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5539
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
my phone number is apparently one digit off from some kind of tax lawyer and/or collections service.

I used to have a phone number that was the same as the local newspaper except for the prefix; and also the same as the local hospital except for the prefix.

Talk about a lot of wrong numbers...

tanstaafl.
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#201601 - 02/02/2004 21:42 Re: Do-Not-Call list [Re: tanstaafl.]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Don't you find the telephone ringing annoying? It wakes you up if you're asleep or you have to pause what you're doing in order to listen to the machine to screen. Wouldn't it be nice to go back to the days where if the phone rang, you could be reasonably assured it was someone you wanted to talk to? Sure, you can still screen if you're doing something important, but you don't have to do it every time.
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