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#206402 - 12/03/2004 09:44 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: pca]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
Photos of the second engine strip down are online:

http://community.webshots.com/user/projectsupra

You probably have to be into engines (or turbo chargers) to get anything out of it though

Rob

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#206403 - 12/03/2004 09:57 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
You probably have to be into engines (or turbo chargers) to get anything out of it though
I dunno, I'm not much into either and it still fascinates me that such a piece of obviously precision machinery can be taken apart into so many pieces and ever work again...

Peter

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#206404 - 12/03/2004 10:03 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: peter]
tahir
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1914
Loc: London
The last time I took anything apart was a fax machine, it was while rebuilding it that I realised the therapeutic benefits of smashing electrical equipment into small pieces with a hammer

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#206405 - 12/03/2004 11:03 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
Redrum
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Registered: 17/01/2003
Posts: 998
I think I would have been tempted to put the second motor straight in your car.

I guess you want the piece of mind knowing what's on the inside.


Edited by Redrum (12/03/2004 11:05)

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#206406 - 12/03/2004 11:08 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
Great pics, guys! I really appreciate the opporunity to look inside other people's heavy machinery!

Cheers

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#206407 - 12/03/2004 11:09 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: Redrum]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
I think I would have been tempted to put the second motor straight in your car.
I suspect you've never been driven in Robs Supra before..

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#206408 - 12/03/2004 11:10 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 828
Loc: Texas, USA
What's the final guess on BHP? Any other performance "while we've got the engine apart" additions planned?

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#206409 - 12/03/2004 11:18 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: Mach]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
I really do like nothing more than having a good look around peoples online albums, makes work time bearable.
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#206410 - 12/03/2004 12:03 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: andym]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
i can't wait to have a garage. I've wanted to tear down an engine my whole life! Andy, if you ever get incredibly bored, i've got more photos than i know what to do with online, and that's not even half of the ones i need to scan in from the lomo camera... http://www.skivvies.com/photos/

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#206411 - 12/03/2004 12:26 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: Mach]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
What's the final guess on BHP? Any other performance "while we've got the engine apart" additions planned?

Not sure on BHP yet.. the new intake and free flow exhaust should be good for about +40BHP and maybe another +30 from wastegate adjustment to increase boost. That would put it around 300 and after that I need to start spending serious money on intercoolers etc, which I probably won't bother with.

The "while it's apart" tick list is currently:

Skim & face head
Face valves
New seats
Replace shims
Skim & face block
Decoke
Deglaze
Polish crank

All new gaskets and seals
All new belts
Toyota main shells, big end end shells and thrust washers
ARP main studs, rod bolts and head bolts
Toyota rings
HKS stopper type metal head gasket (slight compression reduction for extra boost)
APEXI Power Intake
NGK Iridium Spark Plugs
FAL DUAL electric FAN (replaces viscous fan)
Mongoose stainless exhaust removing both cats
Preset wastegate adjuster
Powder coat intake manifold, throttle body, IC pipe, alternator, valve covers
Hose Techniques kit (SuperBlue)

I just ordered most of that stuff from the US due to the cool exchange rate right now!

Rob

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#206412 - 12/03/2004 12:29 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
thinfourth2
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Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
had any thought about water injection isn't too expensive for the pump and i am sure you and patrick could come up with a controller should remove the need for stupidly larger intercoolers.
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#206413 - 12/03/2004 12:36 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: thinfourth2]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
had any thought about water injection

Yes, that may be the way to go. Kits seem to start around £300. They claim -34 degrees @ 18psi which would be very effective.

Rob

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#206414 - 12/03/2004 12:38 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
Redrum
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Registered: 17/01/2003
Posts: 998
"I just ordered most of that stuff from the US due to the cool exchange rate right now! "

Thanks for your order . I'm sure we will just pass it to to China. I don't think anyone in the US knows how to make anything anymoore

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#206415 - 12/03/2004 12:45 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: Redrum]
rob
carpal tunnel

Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
I don't think anyone in the US knows how to make anything anymoore

Although most of the stuff at suprasport.com comes from Japan, there are quite a few things they manufacture themselves. They do a really nice high flow turbo elbow for example. Ironically some of the products are made by their European guy in Holland but it is half the price to order from the US even after shipping it across the Atlantic twice.

Rob

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#206416 - 12/03/2004 14:58 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: loren]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
Andy, if you ever get incredibly bored, i've got more photos than i know what to do with online

Thanks loren, I think I've trawled you site before, I definately check RobRicc's gallery regularly, he usually has all manner of assorted crap on there.
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#206417 - 12/03/2004 15:35 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 828
Loc: Texas, USA
Yup that'll about do it. Just wanted to make sure that I wasn't the only one.

A 70+hp increase without major mods sounds great. I was poking around suprastore.com trying to figure out where Supras top out. The 93-98 upgrade kit and 33K$ later gets 1200HP. Feck.

A drive-able 300hp is just fine.

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#206418 - 12/03/2004 17:44 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
Rob - don't forget to do something about your brakes. With all that extra grunt on something as heavy as a Supra they are going to be chocolate teapot after a while.

I've seen Supras with no brakes at the end of a straight and it doesn't look fun
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#206419 - 12/03/2004 17:46 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: furtive]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
Good point. Gotta think about stopping it once you get it going.
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#206420 - 12/03/2004 19:09 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: loren]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
i've got more photos than i know what to do with online

likewise http://www.norman.cx/photos/ , far too many photos...
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#206421 - 12/03/2004 19:45 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: andy]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Since we're stealing this thread for photos... you guys should check out the stuff Rob Vreeland (CruzThs) has been shooting lately with his Nikon D2h.

http://www.pbase.com/robv/root

He just yesterday got a Nikon 200-400mm f4 VR insane lens... i can't wait til we get that thing out to the desert for the buggy blast.

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#206422 - 12/03/2004 20:02 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: furtive]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
Rob - don't forget to do something about your brakes

Yes, I've never been entirely happy with them. The usual advice on Supras is to stick with toyota discs (which are pretty big) and avoid drilled/slotted discs like the plague. I have toyota discs with Pagid kevlar pads (which glaze up like crazy - never again!) and braided hoses for better pedal response.

The next practical upgrade is probably six pot after market calipers with cast discs, but that's *big* money and there are people on 500BHP with stock so probably isn't necessary just yet. It's not like I'm going to take this on a track.

Rob

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#206423 - 13/03/2004 02:31 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
thinfourth2
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Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
I'd love to know what pads i have in the caterham cause they don't really work when cold and once up to temp sparks fly off the pads under heavy brakeing which is very pretty at night
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#206424 - 14/03/2004 02:35 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
thinfourth2
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 13/04/2001
Posts: 1742
Loc: The land of the pale blue peop...
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#206425 - 28/11/2004 01:55 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
I finally got around to a) finishing the rebuild (thanks to Rob S and Patrick) and b) putting the photos online.

http://community.webshots.com/user/projectsupra

I'll add some photos of the finished project in a few days. The moment it was done I stopped taking photos and started driving!

Rob

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#206426 - 28/11/2004 02:26 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: rob]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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#206427 - 28/11/2004 08:00 Re: Supra engine rebuild [Re: tfabris]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
Quote:
ROFL
Me too (or rather twisting madly in the bed (and scareing the poor nurses silly.With my behaviour, not your picture Rob ) Good to see you guys had some fun in the process!
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