#226691 - 12/07/2004 15:51
5th Meet
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Registered: 29/09/2002
Posts: 11
Loc: Berkshire, UK
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Guys,
I have just got back, thanks for a great time at the meet.
We had a play with the new build while waiting for the ferry, had to buy a mic in Amersfoort supermarket (ever tried asking for a mic when you don't know the dutch word!!) 
Thanks to the build brothers for the build. I can at least say David Bowie and it works, took a while for me to work out the new menu's.
Once again thanks for a great time.
Cheers
Jason
PS: Patrick, it was my idea about where to put the usb socket!! 
Edited by smithj (12/07/2004 23:05)
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#226692 - 12/07/2004 16:03
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: smithj]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I can at least say David Bowie and it works
The sound you're hearing is the sound of everyone who wasn't at the meet drooling on their keyboards.
Glad someone spilled the beans!
Edited by tonyc (12/07/2004 16:05)
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#226693 - 12/07/2004 16:06
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[Re: tonyc]
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Registered: 15/08/2000
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Mic??? As in "microphone"?!?!?! As in "a use for the mic in jack"?!??!?!
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#226694 - 12/07/2004 16:13
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: pgrzelak]
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Registered: 08/02/2002
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It can't be... Surely not... No, I can't believe it... Really?.... <pinches self> Is this _really_ the long awaited VR feature?
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#226695 - 12/07/2004 16:15
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: pgrzelak]
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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#226696 - 12/07/2004 16:23
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[Re: genixia]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Is this _really_ the long awaited VR feature?
<does a little happy dance>
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Gimme, gimme, gimme
-Mike
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#226697 - 12/07/2004 16:31
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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Wow. That one post instantly made me forget about getting an iPod/Alpine link box. I'm back in full bore if this works!
Hrm... i wonder if i can use the same mic my wired bluetooth car kit uses...
Oh man oh man oh man....
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#226698 - 12/07/2004 16:32
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[Re: smithj]
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Registered: 14/04/2002
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Loc: Hants, UK
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#226699 - 12/07/2004 16:43
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: g_attrill]
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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<swoons>
Pack it in, you lot! There is no VR in those releases. This would be a different use for the microphone input.
Peter
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#226700 - 12/07/2004 16:46
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 08/02/2002
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Hmm. Auto EQ based upon ordered sound file tracks?
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#226701 - 12/07/2004 16:49
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: genixia]
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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Hmm. Auto EQ based upon ordered sound file tracks?
Now wouldn't that be a nice feature? 
Peter
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#226702 - 12/07/2004 16:49
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[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
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No, but it IS the long-discussed and awaited (Censored) which - by the way - works pretty damn good, I have to say. Wonderful! The car sounds better already.... 
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#226703 - 12/07/2004 16:53
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: schofiel]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Hmmm... If the car sounds better, if must be something to configure audio. Perhaps an automatic EQ configuration system or dynamic volume control???
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#226704 - 12/07/2004 16:55
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: schofiel]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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awwwww... no VR. =[ I got all worked up too. heheh.
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#226705 - 12/07/2004 16:55
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: peter]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Now wouldn't that be a nice feature?
<shuffles feet and mumbles quietly>
Well, I guess that is pretty good too.
Its actually a much more useful feature I would imagine, but it doesn't quite have the same geewiz factor.
-Mike
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#226706 - 12/07/2004 16:56
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[Re: schofiel]
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veteran
Registered: 21/03/2002
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Loc: MA but Irish born
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volume control?
the more background noise the louder it gets?
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#226707 - 12/07/2004 16:57
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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I can at least say David Bowie and it works, took a while for me to work out the new menu's.
?? So what does that mean exactly? *confused*
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#226708 - 12/07/2004 17:02
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: loren]
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Probably playing around with it w/o speakers, providing "David Bowie", spoken, as input to the mic, instead of the expected pink noise...
It behaved funnily at the demo, partly because shuffle and partly because it heard our clapping and cheering.
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#226709 - 12/07/2004 17:06
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[Re: mtempsch]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Hmmm... This implies something dynamic! Dynamic volume adjustment or EQ... Hmmm... Which could it be... Or, as was stated above, not quite VR but an audio match to perform specific actions on the player. Also intensely cool.
Question: why would this remain top secret / censored after the meet??? I know that the build is limited access, but surely the enhancements would be public... Right???
Edited by pgrzelak (12/07/2004 17:10)
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#226710 - 12/07/2004 17:09
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[Re: peter]
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Registered: 08/02/2002
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So how'd'ya get over the sampling rate issue?
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#226711 - 12/07/2004 17:10
Re: 5th Meet
[Re: mtempsch]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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It behaved funnily at the demo, partly because shuffle and partly because it heard our clapping and cheering.
The shuffle didn't stop it doing all the right things, just not necessarily in the right order. The clapping, cheering, cries of "Bravo", wolf-whistles, crowd-surfing, throwing of knickers etc. did skew the final part of the demo, but frankly, given the limitations of the sound system it was driving, that skewing provided a far more compelling demonstration of the principles than a perfectly clean demo would have done.
Peter
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#226712 - 12/07/2004 17:12
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[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Instant drool!!!
If I read that right, this is an automatic EQ configuration system! RTA?!?!? SWEET!
So, what kind of microphone should I immediately go out and buy?
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#226713 - 12/07/2004 17:14
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[Re: pgrzelak]
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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Question: why would this remain top secret / censored after the meet??? I know that the build is limited access, but surely the enhancements would be public... Right???
I think the Amersfoortians are just collectively enjoying teasing the non-Amersfoortians. There's no official secrecy or censorship of that information -- in fact, the release notes all recommend the BBS as a good place to discuss the new features.
And just think how many days earlier you'd find this stuff out if you came to the next Empeg meet!
Peter
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#226715 - 12/07/2004 17:18
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[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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So how'd'ya get over the sampling rate issue?
The sample rate is what, 29KHz or something? That gives us everything up to 14.5KHz in frequency, and above there we don't care. Very high frequencies are rarely the issue in this problem space.
Edit: I will just add that I only have a layman's knowledge of this particular feature -- I knew what John had done but hadn't even seen it in operation before Amersfoort. Really he should be answering all these questions, but I don't think he's on the board right now.
Peter
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#226716 - 12/07/2004 17:18
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[Re: pgrzelak]
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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So, what kind of microphone should I immediately go out and buy?
Development was made with a "Ultra-mini electret insert" from Maplins (part no QY62S)
It's only reasonably flat between 50 and 13kHz, and they don't currently have the exact curve, but working on it -- if there's someone out there with a good reference mic and measuring gear, they could reportedly help out...
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#226717 - 12/07/2004 17:28
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[Re: peter]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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The sample rate is what, 29KHz or something? That gives us everything up to 14.5KHz in frequency, and above there we don't care. Very high frequencies are rarely the issue in this problem space.
We were told a long time ago that the limit was something more like 11khz...
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#226718 - 12/07/2004 17:43
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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We were told a long time ago that the limit was something more like 11khz...
That's a much rounder number and so probably right (though maybe it does 22KHz normally and 29KHz in some kind of Super Pursuit Mode if you program all the right bits). But even if it's 11KHz, the comment still stands: all the action here is in the bass.
Peter
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