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#240974 - 11/11/2004 09:34 No matter what your political opinions are:
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
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Just a little reminder that today is Veteran's Day in the US, Rememberance Day in Canada. No matter what your political opinions are, take a little time out of your day to think about those that paid for your freedoms with their blood. Thanks.
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#240975 - 11/11/2004 12:34 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: pgrzelak]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
No. Sorry. That's Memorial Day. Or is that for barbequeing? I forget.

Maybe you should grill a veteran.
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#240976 - 11/11/2004 13:30 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: wfaulk]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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No. Sorry. That's Memorial Day. Or is that for barbequeing? I forget.

Maybe you should grill a veteran.


Well, today is VE day, right? No, that was in May. VJ day... no, that was in August. Right, it must be Armistice Day. In any case, we thank the people who fought and lived, crass as it may seem to say that, for their work.

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#240977 - 11/11/2004 15:47 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: Daria]
kayakjazz
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Registered: 10/09/2004
Posts: 127
Loc: Bay Area, CA/Anchorage, AK
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Well, today is VE day, right? No, that was in May. VJ day... no, that was in August. Right, it must be Armistice Day. In any case, we thank the people who fought and lived, crass as it may seem to say that, for their work.

I'm all for a bit of levity, but if you'd spent days and nights out dispensing tea and sympathy to the guys on the C-140's that came into Anchorage every 15 minutes aroud the clock in the late 60's/early 70's carrying the wounded and the dead (no tea, and not much national sympathy, for them...) or had been working with the walking, psychically wounded ever since, there might seem less cause. We're just about to see the same thing from this war, although the administration is doing its damnest to prevent that. You don't send kids out to be killed, maimed, or become killers themselves, especially of women and children, without permanent "collateral damage" to them, and we 'll begin to see it as soon as they emerge from our shamefully underfunded Veterans' Hospitals. I was one those who passionately despised that war, but never blamed the poor grunts fighting it... It continually amazes me that we've committed the same insanity twice in the same generation; I know history is doomed to repeat itself when it can't be recalled (especially by those privileged to remain isolated from it), but in 30 years?...especially when we were almost adults? sometimes I despair of the species...
I aaalso realize that for many of you here, Viet Nam is ancient history ...)

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#240978 - 11/11/2004 15:49 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: pgrzelak]
Mach
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Registered: 15/07/2002
Posts: 828
Loc: Texas, USA
Thanks for the reminder Paul! It's still called Armistice day (Jour d'armistice) in France and it's a national holiday here also.

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#240979 - 11/11/2004 17:03 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: kayakjazz]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
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Loc: Providence, RI
Well, it's not really so much levity as remembering where the day came from, which I think by renaming it we forgot. Likewise, there's a lot of confusion between Memorial Day and Veteran's Day, and if you realize where Veteran's Day came from, it's easier to remember what's what. Is having 2 days too many? Unlikely.

As to Vietnam, I wasn't old enough to remember it when it ended. But I think we have collectively learned that disliking a war is not the same as disliking the men sent to fight it, and except for very radical people, will not make the mistakes which (I feel) were made when the men returned from Vietnam.

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#240980 - 11/11/2004 19:55 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: pgrzelak]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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Just a little reminder that today is Veteran's Day in the US, Rememberance Day in Canada. No matter what your political opinions are, take a little time out of your day to think about those that paid for your freedoms with their blood. Thanks.

While the war the end of which is commemorated today was fought between politically and ideologically similar enemies, without 'good' and 'evil' side (but nevertheless with agressor and defender), mostly with intention of redistributing colonial empires, those countless thousands who died in sensles slauhgterhouses like Verdun certainly deserve to be remembered.
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#240981 - 11/11/2004 21:12 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: bonzi]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Actually, it might be a good day to watch "La Grande Illusion" again.
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#240982 - 11/11/2004 22:38 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: wfaulk]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
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Actually, it might be a good day to watch "La Grande Illusion" again.

Indeed. Or darker Kubrick's Paths of Glory...
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#240983 - 12/11/2004 14:34 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: bonzi]
schofiel
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Registered: 25/06/1999
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Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Or: and do not laugh, or be offended - the last episode of the fourth series of Blackadder which shows remarkable sensitivity and respect for those who died.

They paid for your right to vote (thereby choosing our leaders and national imperatives) with their lives. I sometimes wonder if people remember this.
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#240984 - 12/11/2004 15:03 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: schofiel]
webroach
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Registered: 23/07/2003
Posts: 869
Loc: Colorado
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Or: and do not laugh, or be offended - the last episode of the fourth series of Blackadder which shows remarkable sensitivity and respect for those who died.


I cannot second this suggestion (and opinion) strongly enough.
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#240985 - 12/11/2004 15:36 Re: No matter what your political opinions are: [Re: schofiel]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
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Loc: Croatia
Exactly: there was finally time to climb the ladder from the trenches, and is was not funny any more.
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