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#245341 - 03/01/2005 17:37 I need advice on buying a new graphics card.....
burdell1
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I am lookiing for one that is PCI Express and has at least one DVI output (I would prefer one that has two, but it isn't that big of a deal.) I don't really care about a good one for games, but I do care about its qualities as a capture card....any suggestions?

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#245342 - 03/01/2005 17:49 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: burdell1]
Dignan
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Well, any PCI Express card you get is going to be a good one for games. I don't know of any crappy PCI Express cards

You know, this one isn't really that hard to look for. Newegg has all the search tools you need for finding this card at their store. For example, here are all PCI Express cards they sell that have two DVI ports. Lots of choices there. However, it looks like the only one they have with capture abilities is this one.
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#245343 - 03/01/2005 17:51 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: Dignan]
burdell1
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i was mostly wondering what ones are better than others...I have no idea when it comes to quality which ones are the best and which ones have problems.

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#245344 - 03/01/2005 17:56 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: burdell1]
Dignan
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Well, I suppose you can take a look at the customer feedback for a particular card on that site. Aside from that, I don't think many people here will be able to help you unless they've just built a new system within the last few months, which is how long PCI Express has been around. You have a mobo with PCI Express slots, right?

Anyway, since it sounds like video capture is important to you, it doesn't look like there are a lot of options out there anyway. Look for which ones do video capture and that'll narrow your search, if that's what you're looking for. Most of these cards have S-Video ports, but those are for video out, not in.
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#245345 - 03/01/2005 20:08 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: Dignan]
dtwizzle
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if your main concern is to capture video, then I would suggest an ATI All in Wonder Card. I'm not sure if they have one available for pci-e though. i have an older radeon 8500 aiw and it does just fine capturing tv and from video cams.


Edited by dtwizzle (03/01/2005 20:08)

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#245346 - 03/01/2005 20:12 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: dtwizzle]
Dignan
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The second link I posted was for an ATI AIW card. I would agree with your assessment if it weren't for the fact that ATI's Windows drivers for the AIW cards are crap. I basically can't use mine at this point for TV tuning. That's probably just my machine being screwed up, but I think it's mostly on their end. I sure wish I had Bruno working on the PC side
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#245347 - 03/01/2005 21:48 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: Dignan]
mlord
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Lousy Linux support, too, historically speaking.

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#245348 - 03/01/2005 22:11 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: Dignan]
andy
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Well, any PCI Express card you get is going to be a good one for games. I don't know of any crappy PCI Express cards



The X300SE in my new Dell is PCI Express and from what I have seen in the Doom 3 demo it isn't exactly good for the latest games. At 1024x768 frame rates are in the 8-30 range most of the time.
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#245349 - 03/01/2005 22:23 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: andy]
tman
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The X300SE is basically a PCI Express version of the 9600SE which as you've found isn't particularly speedy.

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#245350 - 04/01/2005 07:29 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: tman]
Roger
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The X300SE is basically a PCI Express version of the 9600SE which as you've found isn't particularly speedy.


I've got a PCI Express ATI FireGL V310 in my work box, and it seems pretty speedy in GL Excess. I've not tried HL2 on it yet, though. It has dual output (1 DVI, 1 VGA), but no inputs.
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#245351 - 04/01/2005 11:37 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: tman]
Dignan
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The X300SE is basically a PCI Express version of the 9600SE which as you've found isn't particularly speedy.

Ah, sorry for the mistake. I've only just learned about the difference in ATI product lines in the other thread, so I figured that since most of the ATI PCI Express cards were later models, they'd naturally be more speedy. My 9700 is probably still faster.

*edit*
Still, that X600 looks like the best option for you, burdell. $215 seems about right for that range, and it's got all the ins and outs you could want (well, aside from 2 DVI).


Edited by Dignan17 (04/01/2005 11:39)
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#245352 - 23/03/2005 21:36 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: Dignan]
burdell1
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Which one is better? This one or this one? They seem to be the same, but made my different companies.....

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#245353 - 23/03/2005 21:44 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: burdell1]
burdell1
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also, does it make much of a difference between 256mb or 128mb cards when you don't play games on them?

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#245354 - 24/03/2005 12:50 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: burdell1]
FireFox31
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You could also check out reviews on trusty sites such as Anandtech and slightly more sensationalist sites like Tom's Hardware. Ooh, and THW has info about PCMCIA 30gig HDDs and a cigarette lighter FM transmitter USB key accepting MP3 player thing.

There are other good review sites for video hardware, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. Sharky Extreme, perhaps?
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#245355 - 25/03/2005 02:22 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: burdell1]
tfabris
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also, does it make much of a difference between 256mb or 128mb cards when you don't play games on them?

Nope, it will make no difference at all. The additional texture memory is specifically there just for running high rez 3D games. I'm not sure if a 3D rendering program like Max or Maya would even make use of that video RAM.
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#245356 - 25/03/2005 20:46 Re: I need advice on buying a new graphics card..... [Re: tfabris]
davekirk
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I'm not sure if a 3D rendering program like Max or Maya would even make use of that video RAM.


It most certainly would. A real 3D workstation card like a Quadro FX with 512Mb would be better yet. Not for rendering, of course. It would help for scene manipulation / modeling.

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