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#251637 - 16/03/2005 17:41 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
ashmoore
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Registered: 24/08/1999
Posts: 564
Loc: TX
Now this is really cool. There really is something for everything in there.
You would think that living in Austin I would have been able to find this, but most of the SXSW marketing seems to skip us
The only downside to that when they encoded, they skipped the v2 tags and didn't put the artists website in there so it takes some digging to get a CD.
Great idea though.
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#251638 - 16/03/2005 20:01 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: ineedcolor]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I can't believe the client make that much of a difference but I was using burst and get 1 kbps then I installed bittornado and am getting 550 kbps.
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#251639 - 16/03/2005 20:21 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: msaeger]
Attack
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Registered: 01/03/2002
Posts: 599
Loc: Florida
Some clients lie about how much they are uploading and this will help them get the file faster. These clients also get banned by trackers or users that see you using these (bad) clients. Other clients don't update the tracker early into the torrent. This causes the tracker to ignore you since it doesn't know you have any of the file yet.

I always self update the tracker on any torrent I've just started after I have about a meg.


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#251640 - 17/03/2005 01:32 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: msaeger]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
I pulled the BitTorrent 4.0 to use. After setting the max upload insainly high for a while I noticed that only about 12-13KB/s was going out while maybe 100KB/s was coming in. Revising the max upload to match the observed rate out. My incoming zoomed to just shy of 380KB/s.

If my estimation is correct, that's right at the 4Mb/s download speed of my cable service.

I left it running about 20 hours after the download was complete and wound up with a 229% share ratio.

BTW. Andy, Thanks for the tip about properly setting the upload rate.
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#251641 - 17/03/2005 07:56 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: gbeer]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
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BTW. Andy, Thanks for the tip about properly setting the upload rate.


You can always use Netlimiter to control the upload bandwidth each application gets. Very cool program.
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#251642 - 17/03/2005 08:10 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: wfaulk]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
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Azureus seems to allocate files when the download starts and put the blocks in the right place when it receives them.


http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/FileAllocationMethods
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#251643 - 17/03/2005 13:25 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: Roger]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I don't quite get how preallocating a sparse file helps. I see two reasons to preallocate: to suck up that space in the filesystem so you know you can get it when you need it, and to lessen fragmentation on the file. Preallocating a sparse file helps neither of these conditions. I'm sure it's quicker than writing zeros across 800MB, but if you're going to do that, why not just use the incremental method they list, which would generate sparse files anyway?
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#251644 - 05/05/2005 01:46 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
I finally finished listening to this entire collection. Kept about 400 songs totalling about 1.5 gig. I've attached a file listing the ~45 artists who I think are worth looking into.

Hey, that's 45 more artists who's CDs I may buy. It was a refreshing way to find new music without having to watch MTV or wade through commercials on radio. I'll be sure to (somehow) let the artists know I found them via the torrent, hoping they continue to support MP3 samples.

Phew, THAT'S where my last month and a half went. Listening to the eclectic mix every night and the same 925 song playlist on my empeg every day. I really have to stop these massive "listening binges": 1.5 years reviewing my CD collection in 02-03, 6 months of straight techno in 04, 1.5 months in SXSW, etc, etc.


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255222-SXSW05-Worth_looking_in_to.txt (408 downloads)

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#251645 - 05/05/2005 14:33 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Hey! You've dropped the Kaiser Chiefs: Two of them were barmen in my lunchtime local and they played at my accountant's wedding - I bet he couldn't afford them now!
Mind you, I'd have done the same, I haven't heard anything that I've vaguely related to of theirs.
I'll try your list, because I was rather struggling to know where to start: Thanks.
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#251646 - 05/05/2005 21:26 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
WooHoo!
Wow- what a great reason to finally dive into bittorrent stuff!
Thanks-

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#251647 - 06/05/2005 01:45 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: boxer]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
I actually kept the Kaiser Chiefs track ("I Predict a Riot") filed under Rock / Pop / Indie. It's a fun track and catchy as can be. It will grow on me over time and I'll probably try to find their CD. Thanks for reminding me about them.

Listening to this comp has made me realize that my supergenre/genre/subgenre structure is really weak. Some day I'll take the pie out of the sky and create the "attribute tagging" system I keep dreaming of.
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#251648 - 13/03/2006 14:48 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
It's that time again.

SXSW 2006 torrents. 952 obscure, and not-so-obscure, American, and not-so-American, bands and their showcase songs.

Peter

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#251649 - 13/03/2006 16:59 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
...but I haven't finished listening to last year's lot yet...

...and I am still seeding it too..

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#251650 - 13/03/2006 17:22 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: andy]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
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...but I haven't finished listening to last year's lot yet...


Lol. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

-Zeke
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#251651 - 13/03/2006 18:32 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: Ezekiel]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Hahahaha - okay - on with the torrent. Let's bump up another couple of gigs
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#251652 - 13/03/2006 18:45 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
jmwking
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Registered: 27/02/2003
Posts: 776
Loc: Washington, DC metro
Thanks! I was just thinking it was about time to look for this year's!

-jk

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#251653 - 13/03/2006 20:00 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3996
Loc: Manchester UK
I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning and was thinking about wether there'd be a new torrent..... and there it is!
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#251654 - 14/03/2006 03:31 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: peter]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
PERFECT timing since I got my 300 gig drive! Now I won't have to "Hm... Program Files... I bet I can trim a few meg from there" to free up space. Seriously, I was working on ones of megs of free space.
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#251655 - 16/03/2006 00:19 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
This one is giving me a hard time. After about 8 hours with this Torrent open, my machine freezes. The same symptom happened in both the latest BitTorrent and BitTornado. Running WinXP SP2 fully patched with only one port (6881 or something) open on my Linksys router.

When my machine was on Win98, this same version of BitTornado ran for days with no problem. It also ran under WIn2k, though on a different machine on a different ISP / network medium (cable).

Besides XP, I'm using a newer Linksys router than before. I wonder if this is DoS as a side effect of malicious scanning or something. I'll enable logging on the router, somehow.

And, for the first time, I'm getting "failed hash check" messages. Lots of them. 1/3rd of all downloads are failed. Maybe that's the cause, maybe it's a bad seeder, I don't know.

Any ideas? Thanks all.


Also, SXSW part 2 gave over 50% hash errors, so I tried to delete it and start over. But the machine still thinks there's some downloaded; even after deleting the .torrent and the download directory. No settings files in Program Files that I can see. Would it track status in the registry? And if so, why did the most recent freeze of part 1 reset my share stats? Odd odd odd.....
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#251656 - 16/03/2006 00:30 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
I'd suspect that you've got some memory going bad. Have you noticed instability with other things? Try leaving memtest86+ running all night and see if you get anything. Other than that, you could try azureus, it's my bittorent client of choice these days, though I'd don't particularly like it.

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#251657 - 16/03/2006 00:31 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
No problems here on Azureas/WinME.
My rates could be better if I tracked down the port forwarding issues with my router, but two nights was all it took to get both files.

...and as someone else already said- I haven't yet finished grinding through the last batch of music from SXSW!
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#251658 - 16/03/2006 00:35 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: matthew_k]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
I didn't like Azureus either. It just seems like a total resource hog. I've been using µTorrent for the past 3-4 months and couldn't be more pleased!
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#251659 - 16/03/2006 01:50 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
Thanks for the tips, but I think I just "heard" my problem. Torrenting, reading forums, and I hear CLICK, as if my hard drive just spun down. Well, upon reboot, it didn't spin back up, so it must have shut off and turned back on very quickly.

This is a known issue in my setup. Maybe my power supply is too weak to drive three IDE hard drives. Trick is, this hasn't happened in the 3 months since I've installed XP with three HDDs.

Is BT, on any client, causing so much disk activity that it requires more extra power than I can provide?

I should just take that third drive out, after moving the rats nest of data off of it.....
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#251660 - 16/03/2006 01:56 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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I should just take that third drive out, after moving the rats nest of data off of it.....

If it's one of those 10Gb drives you've had forever and is currently one twentieth the size of your larger drive, yes.

Matthew

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#251661 - 16/03/2006 01:57 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: robricc]
matthew_k
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Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
Yup, it is. It's nice for keeping everything organized and letting you set things globally for all your torrents, but I just don't bittorent enough. Really I should move all my bittorenting off the powerbook and onto the server which stays up all the time anyways.

Matthew

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#251662 - 16/03/2006 06:41 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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Is BT, on any client, causing so much disk activity that it requires more extra power than I can provide?


Yes. BitTorrent on my laptop even with a 5400 drive can noticeably slow down other disk operations if the torrent is larger then memory available. I try to download DVD sized downloads overnight when I don't use the machine, things like Knoppix 5. CD sized things or smaller tend to fare much better because it's not hitting the hard drive nearly as much. BitTorrent works by receiving data in a somewhat random order causing writes to the file to go all over the place. This is due to most clients writing out the file as all 0s first to allocate space, then they go back and write real data as it comes in. And it's also going back and reading random data to serve out to other people on the network.

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#251663 - 16/03/2006 13:33 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: drakino]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Interestingly on uTorrent's site I found out why my Azureus not only ran slowly, but completely hung my machine on occasion, and blocked my Internet connectivity.

Linksys routers (mine is a WRT54GS) do some annoying things with keeping connections alive up to 5 days - BitTorrent rapidly fills that space.

So I reflashed with HyperWRT and running the startup scripts recommended on uTorrent helped a bit (also giving me a wireless output power boost for my troubles )

But then I found another piece of advice regarding XP2 connection limitations. LvLKing (I think - linked from the same FAQ as before) offers a patch which eases these limitations, and didn't appear to have any evil code attached (disclaimer: don't rely on my word, check yourself if you want your box to be safe)
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#251664 - 17/03/2006 00:24 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I think I have just been jinxed. After spending two hours cleaning snow out of my driveway I come inside to some loud shirping sound. Well it turns out to be a 120G HDD in my shuttle. So I spent the rest of the day reinstalling windows on a new 250G SATA drive what a pain.
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#251665 - 17/03/2006 00:48 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: drakino]
FireFox31
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
Thanks for the tips guys. Yeah, uploading to 12 people at 3kbps each is probably pretty annoying for the hard drives. I'll only run these for short periods until I get that old drive off line. It's not that old (you know me too well): a new 300gb, a year old 80 gb, and a 3 year old 60 gb. All WD, all 7200rpm, all IDE. Darn weak power supplies.
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#251666 - 18/03/2006 13:39 Re: Instant eclectic music collection [Re: FireFox31]
Schido
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Registered: 29/03/2005
Posts: 364
Loc: Probably lost somewhere in Wal...
Hey, a band from my town were playing there too: The gathering

I didn't know, but recognized them when i heard the song.
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