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#262097 - 04/08/2005 09:34 I hate job interviews!
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Had an hour long job interview for an IT/Engineering manager job at a local TV station. As seems to be the case for things like that the first interview is all the management bollocks. Is it me or are there no right answers to the sort of questions that get asked at interviews like that? It's a shame that they don't ask any proper technical questions at that stage. Worse still I might have to wait 2 weeks before I find out wether I get a second interview.
Now I'm going to spent the next few weeks torturing myself by going over all the answers I gave in my head.
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#262098 - 04/08/2005 10:25 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
In my experience, for most of these type of interviews the answers you give aren't necessarily that important. It gives the interviewer a way to see how you respond.

After all, any technical details can be read off your CV and then confirmed with a couple of questions, but at the end of the day any manager worth their salt should be interested in you as a person, your aspirations, your drive and passion.

I always recommend people go for lots of interviews - not just ones for jobs they want - for practice!
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#262099 - 04/08/2005 11:05 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
SteveH
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Registered: 06/07/2003
Posts: 19
Loc: Manchester, UK
Hating the management before you've even been offered the job, sounds like you're exactly who they're looking for!

Oh year, and well done for getting the interview in the first place.

Steve
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#262100 - 04/08/2005 12:34 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: frog51]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Quote:
It gives the interviewer a way to see how you respond.
Exactly. Having just gone through the process myself (and now giving interviews for my replacement), I can definitely say most of the questions had no "correct" answer.

Some examples:
Your project has been developed and tested and is in the middle of deployment. It will go live in one week. The client comes to you and requests additional features, yet says the origional timeline must hold. What do you do?
Impossible situation of course- I responded that we could make the changes and miss the date or save the changes for a second release, recommending the latter. I also said that OT would not accomplish the goal. Of course, this wouldn't make the customer happy, but sometimes it's just an impossible task.

Another question I had was this one:
You have a task you know can be accomplished in a month and a half with two resources, but you only have one resource available. You are required to finish within a month and a half, so what do you do
To this one I responded either hire a contract help to augment the team or miss the date. OT would not do it. One person cannot do the work of two by putting in more hours.

In either case (and there were many more questions like these), it wasn't so much the answers she was interested as my demostration of understading software development issues. To give the answer "that's impossible" and not follow up would have been a poor answer, even if correct.

The really funny thing about these interviews was when they actually brought the users in and locked me in a room with them for an hour. I don't think they gave the users any clue as to what was going on- and in fact it seemed like they thought I was already on the job. I was informed that one modification should take, "about 30 mins" by one of the ladies! I carefully explained that without seeing the code I had no idea how long it would take, and that if it required an change to the way the data was stored then it could take months to implement if we wanted to make sure nothing else broke. This actually resonated with them because they've gone through a number of modifications that break other, semmingly unrelated things. The fact that I turned a somewhat negative group of users toward a positive discussion by the end really impressed the managers, so it was one of the more useful aspects to the whole process, even if it was a bit strange.

The big myth about interviewing is that people really put a lot of value into it. The truth is, you cannot make a solid, rational judgement after meeting with someone for an hour. Those who are charismatic and outgoing are always going to come off better, even though good IT people tend to have neither trait. I think the most important trait a software developer can have is creative ability, yet how in the world can you judge that in 60 minutes? Instead we get left being questioned about how well we know C# or Java- really useless since good development principles cross language boundries and new software languages are not hard to pick up.

Not that there's any real solution to the limitation of interviews- an interview is better than not meeting the person at all. I guess I just feel like people put too much stock into them and would do better to be more aware of the limitations.
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#262101 - 04/08/2005 14:12 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: frog51]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Quote:
I always recommend people go for lots of interviews - not just ones for jobs they want - for practice!


It sounds like something I'd like to do. The only problem is that these sorts of jobs don't come round very often, certainly in the northwest so if they do come up, chances are it's a job I'd really like to do anyway.

The job itself will be really cool, everything I want to do, the freedom and perfect environment to do it in and the paypacket to match. It'll be a real kick in the balls if I don't get it.

Spoke to my job mentor (old friend from uni and later the BBC) who seems to think judging from the questions I was asked and the answers I gave that I've got a reasonably good chance... and he's the biggest pessimist I know (SteveH running a close second )
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#262102 - 04/08/2005 15:54 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3583
Loc: Columbus, OH
Quote:
(SteveH running a close second )


Maybe Darkstorm running third? I wonder what happened to him.
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#262103 - 04/08/2005 16:56 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Fingers Crossed here, from an eternal optimist!
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#262104 - 05/08/2005 05:21 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Well - best of luck to you.
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#262105 - 05/08/2005 08:30 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: JBjorgen]
SteveH
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Registered: 06/07/2003
Posts: 19
Loc: Manchester, UK
Quote:
(SteveH running a close second )


Thanks,
Remember, every silver lining has a cloud.

BTW, did you muster a suit for this one or rely on your charm and skillset to impress them?

Steve
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#262106 - 07/08/2005 14:59 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: SteveH]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
I now have a suit. Although I did have to go out an buy a tie the day before. If I get another interview I might have to get another tie, that way it doesn't look like I only have one shirt and tie.
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Andy M

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#262107 - 08/08/2005 05:20 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
I'll mail you one from my extensive collection, waiting to go to the charity shop, I haven't worn one since March (Except for dinner at our Hotel in Wales), any colour preference?
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#262108 - 08/08/2005 06:24 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Nice one! I'll PM you.
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Andy M

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#262109 - 08/08/2005 08:42 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Ugh! Too late, the bin liner has left: Choice is now down to blue or blue!
I'll be keeping: Black, Winnie the Pooh and Father Christmas!
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#262110 - 08/08/2005 11:25 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
I think blue could work. Is it dark blue?
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#262111 - 08/08/2005 11:49 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
SWMBO keeps telling me I have too many ties and that I need to 'rationalise' before moving house on the 26th...so potentially I'll cheer her up and zap one or two your way!
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#262112 - 08/08/2005 12:36 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: frog51]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Wow this turning into Tie Aid! After meeting you in Amersfoort I just can't picture you in a suit. You looked like you were more at home dangling from a rope off a cliff (or maybe in high security vault looking for an unsecured workstation )
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#262113 - 08/08/2005 12:53 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Both a sort of mid blue, one in a fairly sober abstract pattern, the other in a very sober small grid pattern, of course, I should have mentioned that I shall be keeping the old school tie, also!
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#262114 - 08/08/2005 13:12 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Ha ha ha - the day I joined my current firm I had hair about a foot long and wore black leather and jeans by preference, but the partner who gave me my job offer answered my question of "So, do you have a hair length policy?" with "Just do what you think is right for the client, Rory."

So short hair. Luckily most of my clients are smart casual, so no ties, unless I'm chatting with CEOs, FDs etc.

And even then I tend to wear Tigger, Pink Panther, Winnie The Pooh, or Kangaroo ties
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#262115 - 08/08/2005 16:02 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: frog51]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Quote:
Luckily most of my clients are smart casual, so no ties, unless I'm chatting with CEOs, FDs etc.


I've been thinking about what I'd have to wear from day to day if I got the job. Everyone was very smart in the interview but I wondered what the technical people wear day to day at work. I'd be happy with a polo shirt and trousers, I think wearing a suit every day is a little OTT.
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#262116 - 08/08/2005 16:30 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Quote:
I think wearing a suit every day is a little OTT

For 25 years, I wore a different suit each day of the working week, each suit had 2 pairs of trousers, as you don't always wear the jackets.
Two of my staff once asked me about dressing down, friday, I replied: "What you mean no cufflinks!" I was never asked again: In an ad. agency, you're always have to be presentable.
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#262117 - 08/08/2005 16:47 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
I think if you're customer/public facing then it's important. However, if you're on the end of a phone or running cables then I think it's less important.
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#262118 - 11/08/2005 12:05 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Looks like I'll definitely be needing another tie, just been offered a second interview.
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Andy M

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#262119 - 11/08/2005 12:46 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Result! Congrats - and best of luck with round two and the blue tie!
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#262120 - 11/08/2005 16:23 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Congrats! That's gotta feel good.
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#262121 - 16/08/2005 21:32 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: JeffS]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
New tie and shirt purchased, now onto interview prep. This one's going to be technical. I'm not worried about the broadcast side too much, nor am I worried about pure computing stuff. The bit I think I could fall down on is heavyweight windows admin. I'd like to think there's nothing I can't usually do with windows, but that usually involves sitting in front of a machine and having a poke round first, not sat in a meeting room in a suit.

I there anything you guys could recommend to have a read through before Monday? I'm not saying I want my MCSE in a weekend just something to bring me back up to speed.

TBH, I don't think they'll ask much, if at all about it. I'd just like to prepare myself in case.
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Andy M

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#262122 - 16/08/2005 21:37 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
CrackersMcCheese
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2489
Just be honest and say you can do it when your at a computer but find it hard to rattle it off at interview. Its what I say and it works!

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#262123 - 16/08/2005 21:40 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Yeah, generally I find that you needn't know the exact answer as long as you can show you know where or how to find the answer and that you understand the question in general.
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#262124 - 16/08/2005 21:52 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: wfaulk]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Makes sense, almost like showing your working out on a maths test to get extra points even if the final answer isn't right or missing.
I've never really been to an interview where i haven't had a really good grasp of all the key skills before. Windows network admin isn't listed as a skill in the advert, but thought they might assume the candidates would know it anyway.
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#262125 - 18/08/2005 12:10 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
sein
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Registered: 07/01/2005
Posts: 893
Loc: Sector ZZ9pZa
Nice one Andy, best of luck, hope it goes well!

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#262126 - 24/08/2005 17:05 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: sein]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Got it!
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Andy M

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#262127 - 24/08/2005 17:09 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
WELL DONE ANDY !!!!

I hope it's the good move you have been looking for, I am sure Amy is over the moon too!

When do you start?

When are you taking me for a beer to mark the occasion?

Cheers

Cris.

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#262128 - 24/08/2005 17:21 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: Cris]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
I'm waiting for the letter (which should arrive tomorrow) before I give my notice in. But it should be a month of which I've got 2 and a 1/2 weeks of annual to take before I go. So I should start at the end of September. It looks like I have to hit the ground running, they want their new broadcast center up and running by xmas.

Let me know when you're in Manchester next and we can go out and celebrate, although we are going to York on Saturday, so maybe we could meet up in Leeds if you're over there?
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#262129 - 24/08/2005 17:32 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Mmmmm Digging in 11m of fence and putting up a deck this weekend, so I'm not going to be much fun. Feel free to pop around, but you will have to make your own Cuppa, unless you talk nice to Nicola

Will any nice BBC gear be leaving with you?

Cheers

Cris.

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#262130 - 24/08/2005 18:06 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: Cris]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
I'm hoping they'll let me take my toolkit with me, I've also got an old crotch cooker of a P4 laptop that I'm hoping they won't miss. I think it's unlikely they'll let me take my new 20 inch Dell TFT though.
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Andy M

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#262131 - 24/08/2005 18:12 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
You can always come and look at mine

I have 2 now

Cheers

Cris.

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#262132 - 24/08/2005 18:21 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: Cris]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
So where'd you get it from at that price?
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Andy M

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#262133 - 24/08/2005 18:33 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Decided the deal was worth the risk.

So far so good, there is a little more light bleed than on the other, but I would be really nit picking then, it won't bother me.

So what's the new job title then?

Cheers

Cris.

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#262134 - 24/08/2005 19:21 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: Cris]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
IT/Engineering manager, I have minions!
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#262135 - 24/08/2005 19:31 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
Congrats.

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#262136 - 24/08/2005 19:40 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Quote:
IT/Engineering manager, I have minions!

Uh oh. No being a PHB okay? Congrats BTW!

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#262137 - 24/08/2005 19:52 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: tman]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Pointy Haired Boss or Psycho Hose Beast? No danger of either hopefully.
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Andy M

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#262138 - 24/08/2005 19:58 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I was guessing pin head boss.
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#262139 - 24/08/2005 19:59 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Quote:
Pointy Haired Boss or Psycho Hose Beast? No danger of either hopefully.

Was thinking first one but yeah, don't become the second either

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#262140 - 25/08/2005 06:19 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Congratulations Andy! Was confident you'd get it from what you said.

Minions, eh...nice!
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#262141 - 25/08/2005 15:46 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Congrats! Sorry, been nursing a bug for a couple of days, only just caught up with the site.
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#262142 - 25/08/2005 16:30 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Thanks guys, there will be two people working in my department. I hope we'll be able to get along and there won't be too awkward as it sounds like they might be older than me.

On a related note, I found a suitable resignation letter on http://www.i-resign.com/uk/home/ there's some corkers on there.
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Andy M

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#262143 - 25/08/2005 18:20 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Do they have any idea that you have got another job?



Cris.

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#262144 - 26/08/2005 10:32 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: Cris]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Decided to tell my project manager just as we got into a meeting this morning. He looked quite upset.
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Andy M

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#262145 - 26/08/2005 19:48 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
If you were offered a better deal would you stay where you are ?

Although I know this sort of thing doesn't work at all at BT, if you try that sort of thing on they just replace you with another number.

I love working for a big corp, it's great! (I don't think so!)

Cheers

Cris.

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#262146 - 26/08/2005 20:01 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: Cris]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
It would have to be a pretty bloody spectacular offer for me to stay.

Nope, I'm happy to work for a company with 30 employees of which I'll be responsible for 20% of them. There's only the ops director between me and the big boss too. Working for a company the size of the BBC (or indeed BT) eventually just got to me. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.
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Andy M

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#262147 - 27/08/2005 07:04 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Quote:
Nope, I'm happy to work for a company with 30 employees

You do right - said with feeling by a man who worked for a big company, got fed up and started his own!
Incidentally: York this weekend they're giving out warnings to avoid the A64, because of the Leeds festival at Bramham. M62, Jcn 34 and follow the A19 could be the thing to do.
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#262148 - 27/08/2005 07:25 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Many thanks Godfrey, who needs Trafficmaster when you've got the empeg bbs?
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Andy M

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#262149 - 27/08/2005 17:21 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
B'locks, I've just watched the northern news, and that section is all closed for an accident: sorry to give you duff info., but I couldn't have known!
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#262150 - 27/08/2005 17:42 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
s'okay, I just asked tomtom to avoid the a64 and it took us a little further up the A1/M1 instead, no problems at all. In fact we took the a64 back and it was fine.

The motorway signs said it was shut and it still said it coming back so it must've been quite serious.
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Andy M

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#262151 - 27/08/2005 17:59 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: andym]
boxer
pooh-bah

Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Quote:
s'okay, I just asked tomtom to avoid the a64 and it took us a little further up the A1/M1 instead

Ah, you could have popped in for a small libation on the way!!
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#262152 - 27/08/2005 18:51 Re: I hate job interviews! [Re: boxer]
andym
carpal tunnel

Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
Amy said we should've popped round, can't exactly remember where you lived.
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Andy M

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