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#264610 - 06/09/2005 12:50 Why does the US need our money?
tahir
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1919
Loc: London
Just wondered what the US members views on this article are:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4215336.stm

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#264611 - 06/09/2005 13:09 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: tahir]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I'd largely tend to agree with it. I don't think we need money particularly, but aid. The massive number of people left homeless is the issue at this point and money isn't really going to be a short-term help. Then again, the Red Cross is a private organization and doesn't have the deep pockets that the US government has.

Some of the best international pledges I've heard are from Greece, who pledged several cruise ships for displaced people to live on, and from Cuba, who pledged hundreds of doctors and other medical aid. Of course, we won't take Cuba up on that (despite Ms. Rice's statement that "no offers of assistance will be refused") because they're lousy Communists (or something -- I imagine we'll be accepting China's help).

Then there are the pledges from the likes of Sri Lanka, who, despite having just been devastated by the Christmastime Tsunami, have pledged $25,000. A wonderful gesture, but that amount is probably pointless to the US, and probably much better used by Sri Lanka itself.
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#264612 - 06/09/2005 13:43 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: wfaulk]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
I agree. It's not that we don't have the money, or troops, or food. We just don't have it HERE. When it takes 7 days to get someone drinking water, odds are not good that they are still alive. Food, on the other hand, you can last a few weeks, without food. Drinkable water was a hot commodity last week. Not to mention, with it being so hot, I was going through 4-5 Gatorade's and 8-10 water bottles a day. Then again, I was also working my ass off unlading trucks and distributing food/water. Funny thing is I was kept here for computer support, and all my systems were back up 4 hours after the storm passed. Since then I just do whatever's needed.

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#264613 - 06/09/2005 14:03 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: tahir]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
Then again, there are thousands of people who didn't have any insurance to rebuild or replace belongings or anything. How much is the government really going to give to those people. And if I was a victim who ended up getting very little and heard that the US refused donations, I would be most upset.
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#264614 - 06/09/2005 14:25 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: Laura]
tahir
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1919
Loc: London
[censored]? Was Castro's gesture just a cheap stunt? I can't imagine any US administration taking any kind of aid from Fidel, especially not this one.

Is this whole event and the government response to it part and parcel of a capitalist system? To some extent it does seem that way.

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#264615 - 06/09/2005 14:30 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: tahir]
tahir
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1919
Loc: London
Hmm. A large chunk of my previous post has disappeared, replaced by [censored], I can't remember any obscenities, can't remember what I wrote either

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#264616 - 06/09/2005 14:31 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: tahir]
Laura
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I think the medical help from Cuba should not have been refused. Many people died because medical help was not quick enough or there were not enough medical staff to help the numbers that needed it. Politics be damned in this kind of event, take what help is offered, we certainly aid enough countries.
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#264617 - 06/09/2005 18:54 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: Laura]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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I think the medical help from Cuba should not have been refused. Many people died because medical help was not quick enough or there were not enough medical staff to help the numbers that needed it.

And those Cuban physicians are probably used to make do with rather meager resources and suplies...
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#264618 - 06/09/2005 19:07 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: bonzi]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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And those Cuban physicians are probably used to make do with rather meager resources and suplies...

Boy, is that a great point. They are.

Nonsequitur. I expect that perhaps a year from now, the CDC will publish a special edition of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report that will just review the effects of Katrina. I haven't kept up with MMWR -- I used to read it every week as part of my job -- but I am going to be very interested to read that issue. I hope this doesn't sound like morbid curiousity, but I am going to be very interested to look at cause of death -- numbers relating to gunshots, say -- but more interestingly things like tetanus. I can't think of a higher risk situation than people wading around in a muddy flood, and that MMWR may give a clue as to what kind of a public health job we've been doing in cities like NO.

I'm going to guess that everybody on the BBS is current on their tetanus booster. If there are worse ways to die, I can't think of them.
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#264619 - 06/09/2005 19:25 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: jimhogan]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
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I'm going to guess that everybody on the BBS is current on their tetanus booster. If there are worse ways to die, I can't think of them.

Hmmm... How often does one have to "reboost"?
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#264620 - 06/09/2005 19:32 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: bonzi]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Hmmm... How often does one have to "reboost"?

every 10 years
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#264621 - 06/09/2005 19:35 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: jimhogan]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
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Loc: Seattle transplant
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Hmmm... How often does one have to "reboost"?

every 10 years

Dang, you beat me.
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#264622 - 06/09/2005 22:48 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: bonzi]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Oops. Good thing they're giving us shots tomorrow then. I haven't had one in 14 years.

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#264623 - 07/09/2005 06:45 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: lectric]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
I'm allergic to tetanus booster jabs. Having one is more likely to kill me than not having one.

Oh, and Bangladesh has donated $1m to the US to help with NO.

That is just wrong.
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#264624 - 07/09/2005 08:07 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: furtive]
tahir
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1919
Loc: London
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Oh, and Bangladesh has donated $1m to the US to help with NO.

That is just wrong.


Insane more like.

Isn't this just political points scoring by the donors?

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#264625 - 07/09/2005 08:17 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: jimhogan]
pca
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Registered: 20/07/1999
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Loc: UK
Last time I went in for one, they checked my history and found I'd had four in total, and said that the current recommedations are that once you've had three booster shots you're immune for life.

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#264626 - 07/09/2005 13:52 Re: Why does the US need our money? [Re: pca]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Last time I went in for one, they checked my history and found I'd had four in total, and said that the current recommedations are that once you've had three booster shots you're immune for life.

Like almost anything else in this realm, recommendations are based on studies (say of antibody levels in populations) where the results are distributed on a curve. There is no exactly right answer. It is a matter of risk estimation.

Lessee what Canada's NACI says here.

They still recommend q 10 years.

That doesn't mean there isn't a case to be made for what you were told. If I lived in a penthouse in NYC and all of my manicurist's tools were autoclaved, I wouldn't be very concerned. but if I tended to work with sharp tools, or in dirt, or if I might have cause like Lectric to wade through the flood waters of Louisiana, I would be on a booster shot like a cheap suit. No surprise they are dispensing to those folks.

I did remember one way to die that is arguably worse than tetanus. Boosters are cheap.
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