#270111 - 27/11/2005 15:48
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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Yeah, I hate that console gaming controller, too. It works fine for some things (mostly slow moving things, IMO), but it just seems like a swiss army knife: good enough for most things, but never the right thing.
Of course, alternative controllers have always sold disappointingly. It seems like since it's USB-based, though, it ought to be able to support things that aren't intended solely for the one console.
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#270112 - 27/11/2005 16:20
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: FireFox31]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Maybe I'm missing something, but shouldn't a gaming console be an appliance which doesn't need updating?
I'm with you, FireFox.
In addition, shouldn't a gaming console be a relatively inexpensive piece of hardware?
To me, the Xbox 360 is a computer without a keyboard.
Still doesn't stop me from thinking about buying one. Although, I'm starting to think that I'll wait and get a regular Xbox with Halo2 when their prices come down further because of the 360's popularity.
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#270113 - 27/11/2005 16:54
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 14/01/2002
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Maybe I'm missing something, but shouldn't a gaming console be an appliance which doesn't need updating?
I'm with you, FireFox.
Hmmm not really. The option for upgrades etc is there even if its never used. How can more options be a bad thing? Its still a console - just a console with more features. The crashes have also now been solved by several people by keeping the PSU off the ground so that overheating appears to have been the issue as opposed to buggy software.
Edited by Phil. (27/11/2005 16:56)
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#270114 - 27/11/2005 17:38
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: CrackersMcCheese]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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... keeping the PSU off the ground so that overheating ...
Again: Computer. Not gaming console. Sigh.
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#270115 - 27/11/2005 17:57
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 09/08/2000
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More reasons not to ever buy a console - - I really dislike having to play them on a TV - I don't like the refresh rate or the resolution
- Upgradeability is just sucky - you are tied in to vendor specifics, even assuming hardware is upgradeable, or else you have to go with unofficial 'mods'
- I agree with the whole controller issue...maybe my hands are just the wrong size, but they are all too small!
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#270116 - 27/11/2005 18:41
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: frog51]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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Upgradeability is just sucky - you are tied in to vendor specifics, even assuming hardware is upgradeable, or else you have to go with unofficial 'mods'
That is the point however. Everybody will have identical hardware and therefore it will just work without you needing to fiddle.
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I agree with the whole controller issue...maybe my hands are just the wrong size, but they are all too small!
You ever used the original Xbox controllers?
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#270117 - 27/11/2005 19:17
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: frog51]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/01/2000
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I really dislike having to play them on a TV - I don't like the refresh rate or the resolution
My original Xbox looks great on my 32" LCD. No problem with refresh rate. My friend Adrian reckons that his US Xbox (with progressive scan) looks even better.
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#270118 - 27/11/2005 19:20
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: tman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
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You ever used the original Xbox controllers?
Yeah.
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#270119 - 27/11/2005 20:25
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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... keeping the PSU off the ground so that overheating ...
Again: Computer. Not gaming console. Sigh.
Nearly every modern piece of electronics is a "computer." If someone thought putting a spreadsheet program in an NES cartridge would have sold well, I'm sure it would have worked.
Place your Tivo on the carpet blocking all the vents on the bottom. I'm sure it wouldn't appreciate it.
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#270121 - 27/11/2005 21:58
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: frog51]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
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More reasons not to ever buy a console -
- I really dislike having to play them on a TV - I don't like the refresh rate or the resolution
- Upgradeability is just sucky - you are tied in to vendor specifics, even assuming hardware is upgradeable, or else you have to go with unofficial 'mods'
- I agree with the whole controller issue...maybe my hands are just the wrong size, but they are all too small!
1 - Doesn't the 360 do HDTV ???
2 - Upgrading in the first place is sucky, you have a peice of hardware that just works out of the box, no need to upgrade your GFX card just to play the latest game!
3 - X-Arcade controllers have an interface for just about every compter/console system on the market today, and I don't think you can call them small  I find the keyboard tires my hands quickly, for game playing you can't beat a hand held controller that lets you move your arms and wrists.
I don't play games really, but when I do it has to be on a console. I keep my X-Box tucked away, and only bring it out when I'm in the mood. A PC is not for playing games on, plain and simple, sure people do, but a console does it better and with less setup stress.
I also find most modern games too involving, you have to play them for hours and hours, I like the older simper games, like pac-man. The ones you can have a quick go on, or play for hours and hours when the time is right. I think modern games get lost in snazzy graphics that add little to the gameplay or sell on pointless violence and gore.
This is why I have 75% of the components for my MAME box on my bedroom floor at the moment, Retro is the way to go for me. Until such a time I need a MCE extender
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#270122 - 28/11/2005 00:08
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: Cris]
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old hand
Registered: 16/02/2002
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Here's a buying tip for UK folks... a former co-worker who now works in marketing at M$ said that Argos will be the place to get this early over here. Allegedly they are getting priority over the other major [r]etailers supplying the UK.
Edit: what's with the [ url ] [/ url ] tags now?
Edit : Fixed link
--l0ser
Edited by l0ser (28/11/2005 00:19)
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#270123 - 28/11/2005 00:22
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: AndrewT]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 15/01/2002
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Loc: Austin
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How much will it be going for in the UK?
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#270125 - 29/11/2005 20:11
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
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#270126 - 29/11/2005 20:16
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#270127 - 30/11/2005 04:14
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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enthusiast
Registered: 17/08/2000
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Loc: Seattle, WA. USA
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I am 99.9% sure the wired controllers for the retail XBox 360 are standard USB. There is a small panel on the front of the 360 with standard USB ports. Chances are you can plug in a mouse and keyboard and have it work. I would be surprised if they didn't.... well not completely. The developers might have to make their game "keyboard aware."
Hmmm... I might have to try this tomorrow.
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#270128 - 30/11/2005 05:06
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: bootsy]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
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I am 99.9% sure the wired controllers for the retail XBox 360 are standard USB. There is a small panel on the front of the 360 with standard USB ports. Chances are you can plug in a mouse and keyboard and have it work.
They are USB controllers. The only difference between the PC XBox controller and the wired 360 controller is a CD-Rom with drivers.
As far as keyboard compatibility, I have my Playstation 2 USB keyboard plugged into the 360 right now. It can be used for text entry on the system. Not sure if any games can use it though. Right now I'd say no for Kameo and Need for Speed, but both are games I'm interested in playing on the controller anyhow.
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#270129 - 30/11/2005 05:13
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: bootsy]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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I am 99.9% sure the wired controllers for the retail XBox 360 are standard USB. There is a small panel on the front of the 360 with standard USB ports. Chances are you can plug in a mouse and keyboard and have it work. I would be surprised if they didn't.... well not completely. The developers might have to make their game "keyboard aware."
The Xbox had standard USB controllers apart from an extra power line for the vibration motors and a proprietory plug. Didn't mean that it supported keyboard & mouse tho...
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#270130 - 05/12/2005 17:50
Re: Just Played X-Box 360....
[Re: tman]
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