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#275892 - 09/02/2006 23:13 developers software
edsmiata
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is there any reason why i would not want to leave the developers software on the player rather than the consumer version?
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#275893 - 10/02/2006 00:11 Re: developers software [Re: edsmiata]
RobotCaleb
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None that I am aware of.

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#275894 - 10/02/2006 00:35 Re: developers software [Re: edsmiata]
StigOE
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Normally you're recommended to install the developer version instead of the consumer version, as it will let you get a bash prompt in case you have to do some troubleshooting, amongst other things.

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#275895 - 10/02/2006 00:46 Re: developers software [Re: edsmiata]
tfabris
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If I recall correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong), the developer version, with its shell prompt available, uses slightly more RAM, therefore leaving slightly less RAM for song caching. The difference (if it really exists) is small enough so that you wouldn't notice anything.
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#275896 - 10/02/2006 11:14 Re: developers software [Re: tfabris]
edsmiata
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the reason why i asked is that i just installed a new hard drive...once again kudos to the tutorial...where the tutorial states to install the developer version...but never really says to reload the consumer version...so i guess i will just leave the developer in then...
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#275897 - 10/02/2006 12:44 Re: developers software [Re: tfabris]
Roger
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the developer version, with its shell prompt available, uses slightly more RAM


If the developer version uses more RAM (and I don't think it does), it's not because of the shell prompt -- bash is not resident in RAM at the same time as the player.
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#275898 - 10/02/2006 15:18 Re: developers software [Re: Roger]
tfabris
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Okay, gotcha. So then, why two separate versions?
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#275899 - 10/02/2006 15:29 Re: developers software [Re: tfabris]
pgrzelak
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I would guess that it was specifically made for the "user" population that did not want to hack. By having no shell to fall to, a player application error would simply restart the player application. Granted - this could lead to the boot loops that we see with bad files, etc. But for a user with no idea about computers (and no desire to find out), this could be a self-protecting feature for the mass consumer.

Granted, hindsight shows a rather small mass consumer market for the empeg (and similar devices). But if it ever had caught on to the scale of the iPod (random example), you would want to have that kind of self-healing feature in case of crashes, while, uh, locking out those who have no business in shell.
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#275900 - 10/02/2006 16:11 Re: developers software [Re: pgrzelak]
edsmiata
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But for a user with no idea about computers (and no desire to find out), this could be a self-protecting feature for the mass consumer.


...seems to be the most logical explanation Spock
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