#277033 - 08/03/2006 16:12
Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
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Registered: 11/09/2000
Posts: 143
Loc: Jylland, Denmark
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Hi everyone,
I've been quiet for a while, to say the least. Quiet, but not dead. Lurking a bit ...
Just having bought a Parrot CK3200 Bluetooth handsfree kit for the car, I'd really like to get it installed with as little fuss as possible.
The way the install is now, it's with a Sony Ericsson handsfree, which has built in speaker and microphone. This works, but the sound is far from impressive, coming from a small speaker mounted near the steering wheel.
The new kit has line out, and ... the empeg has line in. So rather than having to install a relay-switching system as I saw mentioned elsewhere, I'd rather have the empeg switch to external input when it senses the phone mute signal.
Is this possible?
On a further note, I can tell you guys that my empeg has been totally trouble free for the last five years.
Best regards,
Lars
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#277034 - 09/03/2006 06:56
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: Wire]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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Yes, quite possible. Getting it to return to the state it was before your phone rang is more dificult. If you don't have a tuner, hijack can easily change the onmute into the button presses needed to switch between aux and player. If you use a tuner, it should be possible to get it to switch between the player<->aux and FM<->aux properly, though I never got it to work. The empeg always returns to the last FM station when you press tuner, so getting it to switch AM<->aux properly doesn't seem to be an option.
I've got a ck3100. I've posed my various irtranslate sections before, if you look up the on_mute button code and search for it, you should be able to find it easily.
No matter what you do, you'll still only have a 95% success rate with the onmute translations. Occasionally the empeg will miss a button press and you'll have to fix it manually.
Matthew
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#277035 - 09/03/2006 21:57
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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This sounds like a trivial hijack hack, if I understand it right.
You want mute_on to "save current source, then switch to AUX", and mute_off to "restore original source". Or possibly with mute_on/mute_off reversed.
I can implement this in about 5-minutes as a pair of virtual button codes inside Hijack, if it would help.
We just need to agree on good names, something like "save_source_and_switch_to_aux" is a bit wordy for my liking.
Actually, I could just implement "save_src" and "restore_src" button codes, and then one could define a macro to do "save_src + aux" for the "mute_on".
???
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#277036 - 11/03/2006 03:50
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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The save_src and restore_src sound great to me. The only warning is that all the button codes I've tried for tuner always take it to FM, never back to AM even if that's what you were listening to. It's always struck me as odd, because the empeg integrates AM and FM so well in every other way. I've never tried having the irtranslate go through the menu structure, because I didn't want it to not work if I was in the menus when a phone call came in. I've never tried your nextsource virtual button code though. I'm away from my empeg collection at the moment, so I can't try it now.
My initial plan was (pseduo ir-translate)
extmuteon.T = aux.S
extmuteon.M = aux
extmuteoff.N = player
extmuteoff.S = tuner
But I never got this to work at all, even with the AM/FM limitations.
I'll certainly set up a test bench when I get home to work on this some more, I'd love to get it perfected.
Matthew
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#277037 - 11/03/2006 04:05
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: matthew_k]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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This thread was my last attempt. Currently I'm using the basic on=aux, off=player, as I can get that one to work. Matthew
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#277038 - 11/03/2006 13:42
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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See Hijack v445; details to be posted shortly in a new thread.
Basically, this: [hijack]
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
Edited by mlord (11/03/2006 14:22)
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#277039 - 13/03/2006 07:42
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: mlord]
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member
Registered: 11/09/2000
Posts: 143
Loc: Jylland, Denmark
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Hi Mark,
You rock so hard, still impressing by "just fixing it" from just a single post. Thanks a lot for the help.
Consider a name change to Mark Overlord ;-)
I'll get the install done when the teperature rises above the -5 C it's here at the moment.
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#277040 - 13/03/2006 15:46
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I, for one, welcome our new Mark overlords.
Did I say overlords? I meant protectors.
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#277041 - 13/03/2006 22:40
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
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Be careful Tony - the route to the Dark Side is an easy one to follow....
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#277042 - 14/03/2006 00:28
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
I, for one, welcome our new Mark overlords.
No no.. those are your Dark overlords!
-ml
Edited by mlord (14/03/2006 22:26)
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#277043 - 14/03/2006 03:30
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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Quote:
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I, for one, welcome our new Mark overlords.
No no.. those are your <a href="://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/03/13/0523242.shtml" target="_blank">Dark</a> overlords!
-ml
Is this link supposed to loop back on this thread?
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#277044 - 14/03/2006 04:27
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: gbeer]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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Mark left out the http bit it seems which has confused the BBS software. Should be: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/03/13/0523242.shtml
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#277045 - 19/03/2006 16:01
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: mlord]
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member
Registered: 11/09/2000
Posts: 143
Loc: Jylland, Denmark
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Hi,
I can't figure out what to put in config.ini.
[hijack]
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
Does nothing, but gives me an "hijack config error" when booting up.
Also, the mute from the player should be bypassed. Is that done like this:
[sense]
muteaction=-1
mute=0
I can't find any description of the sense context anywhere.
Thanks in advance.
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#277046 - 19/03/2006 17:05
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: Wire]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Does nothing, but gives me an "hijack config error" when booting up.
And... you've successfully installed the new hijack?
(the behavior you describe would be consistent with having accidentally skipped the part where you have to install the new hijack before the feature becomes available.)
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#277047 - 19/03/2006 17:38
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: Wire]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
[hijack]
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
Does nothing, but gives me an "hijack config error" when booting up.
MMmm.. I suppose for those two options specifically, it probably wants the numeric keycode instead of the labels. I've never used this feature myself. Maybe Matthew can help you figure out what it wants.
-ml
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#277048 - 21/03/2006 18:46
Re: Phone mute -> switch to line in = possible?
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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I unfortunatly havn't had time to get this to work. Got the chance to go skiing this weekend, which took all my free time. I'm Playing With Empegs this evening to get one ready to trade for a central, so I'll certainly upgrade hijack and work this out.
Matthew
Edited by matthew_k (21/03/2006 22:01)
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#277049 - 21/03/2006 21:51
Hijack v449
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
Quote:
[hijack]
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
Does nothing, but gives me an "hijack config error" when booting up.
MMmm.. I suppose for those two options specifically, it probably wants the numeric keycode instead of the labels.
Fixed in Hijack v449. the strings quoted above should now work.
Cheers
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#277050 - 22/03/2006 20:06
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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Hmmm, tried this out on the way to work and it didn't work. Seemed as if I had the entries reversed, which is possible. I'll check it out and try again on my way home.
Matthew
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#277051 - 23/03/2006 18:58
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: matthew_k]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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extmute_off=SaveAux
extmute_on=RestoreSrc
Seems to work when I tested it. Havn't lived with it for any period of time, but it seems good. Are the two key words reversed in hijack somewhere?
Matthew
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#277052 - 23/03/2006 19:30
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
extmute_off=SaveAux
extmute_on=RestoreSrc
Seems to work when I tested it. Havn't lived with it for any period of time, but it seems good. Are the two key words reversed in hijack somewhere?
Nope. The meanings of "on" and "off" depend upon the device connected to the mute signals, and how that device defines "on" and "off". Hijack just uses the default empeg kernel's definition of "on" (serial DCD signal inactive) and "off" (serial DCD signal active).
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#277053 - 23/03/2006 19:58
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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Well that explains it. It worked very nicely on the drive into the office this afternoon.
Thanks!
Matthew
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#277054 - 12/04/2006 07:15
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: mlord]
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enthusiast
Registered: 07/01/2002
Posts: 274
Loc: Stockport, UK
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Quote:
Quote:
extmute_off=SaveAux
extmute_on=RestoreSrc
Seems to work when I tested it. Havn't lived with it for any period of time, but it seems good. Are the two key words reversed in hijack somewhere?
Nope. The meanings of "on" and "off" depend upon the device connected to the mute signals, and how that device defines "on" and "off". Hijack just uses the default empeg kernel's definition of "on" (serial DCD signal inactive) and "off" (serial DCD signal active).
Does this mean that, if your car kit switches to 0V during a call, you require:
extmute_off=SaveAux
extmute_on=RestoreSrc
where as if your car kit switches to +12V during a call, you require:
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
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#277055 - 12/04/2006 07:46
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: jarob10]
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old hand
Registered: 07/01/2005
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Does this mean that, if your car kit switches to 0V during a call, you require:
extmute_off=SaveAux
extmute_on=RestoreSrc
Yes.
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where as if your car kit switches to +12V during a call, you require:
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
I expect so 
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#277056 - 12/04/2006 08:14
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: sein]
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Registered: 07/01/2002
Posts: 274
Loc: Stockport, UK
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Quote:
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Does this mean that, if your car kit switches to 0V during a call, you require:
extmute_off=SaveAux
extmute_on=RestoreSrc
Yes.
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where as if your car kit switches to +12V during a call, you require:
extmute_on=SaveAux
extmute_off=RestoreSrc
I expect so
Sounds like a contender for a FAQ entry to me (unless hijack could make this transparent of course).
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#277057 - 12/04/2006 13:26
Re: Hijack v449
[Re: jarob10]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Maybe the terms should be "extmute_high" and "extmute_low". Then again, isn't there a switch to control that behavior in emplode somewhere? Does it swap the terms?
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