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#277086 - 08/03/2006 23:05 I need a new job title
mcomb
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Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
So I'm being given one of those somewhat meaningless software developer promotions. The kind that come with a raise that you want and a title change that is mostly there because the pointy haired types think that a salary increase should come with a title change. Our CEO asked what title I thought I should have and I don't have a good answer for him. I currently go by "Lead Engineer", but have outgrown it a bit. I need something that basically says I manage developers (but not at the director or VP level), do software design, and still do some actual coding (we are a small company so I do a bit of everything technical). I can't come up with anything less convoluted than "Engineering Manager and Systems Architect". Is there a title that is traditionally used for someone that performs both senior engineering and some managerial duties?

-Mike
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#277087 - 09/03/2006 00:22 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
Engineer Extraordinaire
:P

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#277088 - 09/03/2006 00:34 Re: I need a new job title [Re: RobotCaleb]
mcomb
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Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Engineer Extraordinaire
:P


Yeah, I was kind of tempted to suggest "The Man". Or something equally nonsensical, but one thing driving the title change is that they want something more important sounding to put in the "Reports to:" field on the position descriptions for our open jobs.

-Mike
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#277089 - 09/03/2006 00:40 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
"Senior Lead Engineer" would probably make sense.
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#277090 - 09/03/2006 01:06 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
"Manager, Engineering" or "Manager, Software Engineering"

or

Architect instead of Manager, same context.

If you manage people, the "Manager" title is the most appropriate. Usually the others, including Architect, Fellow, etc.. don't involve managing people.

My dilemas are for finding creative titles to avoid using "CEO" or "President"

Bruno
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#277091 - 09/03/2006 02:13 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
AndrewT
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Registered: 16/02/2002
Posts: 867
Loc: Oxford, UK
Lead Engineer Level 5. Level 5 of course being the highest level attainable.

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#277092 - 09/03/2006 04:00 Re: I need a new job title [Re: wfaulk]
mcomb
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Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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"Senior Lead Engineer" would probably make sense.

Isn't that redundant? Senior and Lead have very similar meanings here and I'm not sure that one or the other is really considered more advanced.

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"Manager, Engineering" or "Manager, Software Engineering"

This is what was originally suggested to me. I'm not comfortable with it because it makes me sound like I'm just doing management. I haven't decided that I want to go down that career path so I don't want something on my resume that limits my options later on. I'm hoping to suggest that I still do development as well as management.

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Lead Engineer Level 5. Level 5 of course being the highest level attainable.

But what if it goes to 11?
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#277093 - 09/03/2006 04:18 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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But what if it goes to 11?


Sounds like a opportunity for 6 more promotions and raises.

Edit: P.S.
There's always such things as Deputy, Associate, Director, and all sorts of combinations.

Director of Software Engineering
Department Leader
Division Leader
Superintendant
Supervisor
Group Leader


Edited by gbeer (09/03/2006 04:32)
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#277094 - 09/03/2006 14:13 Re: I need a new job title [Re: gbeer]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Chief Technology Officer (CTO)?
Chief Engineering Officer?
Chief Software Architect?
Grand Poobah?
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#277095 - 09/03/2006 14:24 Re: I need a new job title [Re: JBjorgen]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
These eejits are still the masters of the art of the job title. I suggest starting as "Perfect Master" and working your way up...

Peter

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#277096 - 09/03/2006 14:40 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
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I can't come up with anything less convoluted than "Engineering Manager and Systems Architect"

I think "architect" is one of the key words you're looking for, and maybe you want to use "chief" instead of "lead". So, how about "chief software architect"?

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#277097 - 09/03/2006 14:43 Re: I need a new job title [Re: DWallach]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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So, how about "chief software architect"?


No fair...I said it first
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#277098 - 09/03/2006 15:55 Re: I need a new job title [Re: JBjorgen]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
I was a "Principal Software Architect" at one point. Doesn't really cover the management side, though.
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#277099 - 09/03/2006 19:12 Re: I need a new job title [Re: Roger]
music
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Registered: 25/06/2002
Posts: 456
I'm with Roger here.

The appropriate title to me seems like "Principal Architect."

At least in my opinion, someone at the "Principal" level
is giving technical direction to more junior people as well
as performing some project management and scheduling responsibilities.

Of course, we also have a "Senior Principal Engineer" title here, whatever THAT is supposed to mean.

In reality, titles are extremely variable by company.

I've worked at one company where "Fellow" was the highest technical title, only bestowed on a dozen people out of 10,000+ employees.
And I've worked at another company where "Fellow" meant basically "college intern." I.e., the very lowest guy on the totem pole!

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#277100 - 09/03/2006 19:15 Re: I need a new job title [Re: Roger]
music
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Registered: 25/06/2002
Posts: 456
And of course, if your company is small and funky, you can always go with the fun, but somewhat arrogant, title of "Alpha Geek"

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#277101 - 09/03/2006 19:29 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
TigerJimmy
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Registered: 15/02/2002
Posts: 1049
I agree with those who suggested "Principal" or "Senior Principal" as the adjective. These are commonly used titles in research organizations and who knows who you'll be giving your business card to someday.

As an aside, I once met a guy who's business card listed his title as "Web Yoda".

Jim

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#277102 - 09/03/2006 22:04 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
Technical Manager. Or Senior Technical Manager.

Cheers

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#277103 - 10/03/2006 02:26 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mlord]
mcomb
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Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I ended up with Engineering Manager/Platform Architect. It is long, but it was important to me to get both aspects of the job in there.

-Mike
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#277104 - 10/03/2006 03:06 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mcomb]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
You will have to get one of those scrolling LED signs to hang on your door
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#277105 - 10/03/2006 07:42 Re: I need a new job title [Re: music]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Of course, we also have a "Senior Principal Engineer" title here, whatever THAT is supposed to mean.

Here at Planet Sigmatel, "Senior Member Technical Staff" is above "Principal Member Technical Staff", which seems the wrong way round to me.

Peter

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#277106 - 10/03/2006 12:42 Re: I need a new job title [Re: mlord]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Technical manager. Ick. I've worked under too many idiot technical managers to ever want that position.

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