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#281862 - 26/05/2006 12:48 Re: Empeg future? [Re: FireFox31]
Phoenix42
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Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
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Let's hope they ARE perfecting the iPod and not George Lucas'ing it. "Get the special 'Black Eyed Peas' Edition iPod, with an exclusive 2 gigabyte mix of 'My Humps'" ( @ Bitt )


They already did.

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#281863 - 26/05/2006 13:04 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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these people love seamless. They love flair. I can't believe they're happy with the gaps.

It does seem very odd. You'd think gapless playback would hit all the bases for Apple: no UI issues, popular with musicians and creatives, making the competition seem ugly and unprofessional, etc., and the fact that Ipod has been through so many revisions without fixing this properly (plus the fact they briefly thought that that "joining songs together" scheme was worth the development time as a workaround) makes me wonder if there's something slightly unwell about the Ipod software development process at Apple.

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#281864 - 26/05/2006 14:27 Re: Empeg future? [Re: peter]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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makes me wonder if there's something slightly unwell about the Ipod software development process at Apple.

Well, let's hope the Hugo can have an influence, then?
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#281865 - 26/05/2006 15:33 Re: Empeg future? [Re: peter]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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makes me wonder if there's something slightly unwell about the Ipod software development process at Apple.

We've met with the iPod software guys a few times and they've come across as very clueful, although sometimes it feels like they might be about to break out into the company song.

I suspect it's more likely that there's too much core software in there from their principle chip vendor. As Hugo says, it seems that won't be a problem soon.

Rob

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#281866 - 26/05/2006 16:32 Re: Empeg future? [Re: rob]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
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We've met with the iPod software guys a few times and they've come across as very clueful, although sometimes it feels like they might be about to break out into the company song.

I suspect it's more likely that there's too much core software in there from their principle chip vendor.

Right, I didn't mean they must be clueless. Being yoked to something that makes their lives much harder than necessary would still come under a "slightly unwell process".

Peter

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#281867 - 26/05/2006 16:59 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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I have to say that I've only ever managed to crash an iPod by running some USB stress tests; the player software is solid as a rock. I can believe that they don't fancy pulling it to pieces and (most likely) seriously affecting stability to add such a feature. I can believe the player engine is largely unchanged from how it was in 2001, and for that vintage it's just fine.


Have you played with the new 5Gs? Man, Mine locks up and has interface hitches OFTEN. So does Kelly's. I think I narrowed it down to album art stuff, but so far my new iPod experience hasn't been something of solidity. Video stuff is anything but seamless as well. But, those are new fancy features I guess... the older gen iPods, 3G and prior, were always rock solid.
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#281868 - 26/05/2006 17:02 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1649
Loc: Louisiana, USA
Congrats on the job! Perhaps you can suggest digital outputs finally be offered on future iPods? It just makes sense given that every other piece of Apple gear includes them now.

Stu
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#281869 - 26/05/2006 17:30 Re: Empeg future? [Re: maczrool]
Ezekiel
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
Late to the thread, but one more congrats to you!

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#281870 - 26/05/2006 18:00 Re: Empeg future? [Re: mlord]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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The reason it lacks features is simple pure MBA stuff: this way they can spoon-feed the missing features one-by-one in subsequent upgrades, thereby reselling (almost) the same product over and over to the same people, multiplying profits. Nearly all successful businesses do that sort of thing.


Apparently, Steve Jobs agrees.
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#281871 - 26/05/2006 21:15 Re: Empeg future? [Re: tonyc]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
I must admit, some of the iPod docks are a bit classier than the empeg dock:



http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/25/the-concerto-table/
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#281872 - 27/05/2006 15:04 Re: Empeg future? [Re: furtive]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Really? You should post an image of one of those classy ones.
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#281873 - 27/05/2006 16:06 Re: Empeg future? [Re: wfaulk]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK


As an aside, Hugo - a friend of mine says he knew you when you worked at Acorn
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#281874 - 27/05/2006 22:40 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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Well, I wasn't planning to announce this just yet, but next month I'm starting a job with the iPod group... however, I have no idea what I'll be working on, and when I do find out I'll be very legally bound not to tell anyone.

This doesn't mean bad things for the empeg code (and its expert custodians) which is still on track to be in some hoopy (and yes, they are hoopy, I've seen the industrial designs) new players for the holiday season!


Holly cow, I missed this bombshell!

Congratulations, Hugo!

So, it seems that soon it will be OK to buy an iPod and some new kids on the block reincarnating emper/Karma's features. Great!

Cheers!
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#281875 - 27/05/2006 22:43 Re: Empeg future? [Re: tfabris]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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I think that if anyone can add features without decreasing usability, Apple can.

Exactly. I don't see that one-button-mouse clicking, Aqua-admiring crowd is hampered by Mach and BSD innards, open to those who know what to do with them.
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#281876 - 27/05/2006 23:45 Re: Empeg future? [Re: bonzi]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
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Exactly. I don't see that one-button-mouse clicking, Aqua-admiring crowd is hampered by Mach and BSD innards, open to those who know what to do with them.


The mixture of ease of use and powerful features is what attracted me to OS X, and the hardware. The iPod nano I have now works very well for carrying around podcasts, but I still use my Karma for music when I'm away from my empeg. If the iPod added some features under the hood, I'd be all over a 6th gen unit. iTunes already has folders for partial hierarchal support, it just now needs to hop over the sync interface properly to the iPod.

And Hugo, congrats on the new job. The fact that Apple is willing to bring you onboard says a lot about your past work and how great it was.

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#281877 - 29/05/2006 00:29 Re: Empeg future? [Re: drakino]
rubennyc
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Registered: 27/01/2006
Posts: 142
Loc: New Jersey, USA
This might be my first ever post here. Anyway, I'm usually hanging out over at Riovolution and wanted to offer my hearty congratulations and best of luck to Hugo. Hardly a day goes by when I don't appreciate and enjoy the hell out of my Karma.

Methinks the future of the DAP industry just got a lot more interesting.

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#281878 - 31/05/2006 17:22 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
shadow45
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Registered: 19/03/2002
Posts: 144
Loc: Florida, USA
Congratulations!

Let's see what great things you can cook up there they like Out of the box ideas.

Just don't piss off Jobs. When he parks in handicapped spots, its because he does have a disibility. a mental one (someone left a note on his car when he did that once, and he did a shake-down of the entire Apple board design building trying to find the culprit)

<Nelson> Ha ha </Nelson>
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#281879 - 05/06/2006 00:17 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
JaBZ
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Registered: 08/08/2001
Posts: 452
Loc: NZ
Wow! Congrats on the new job Hugo...
Hopefully you can be as helpful with regards to tech info on their players as you have been with Rio, however I somehow doubt that, they will lock you up in a dark room.. :P Let's hope the SigmaTel makes in into their harddrive variants with you on board.

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#281880 - 05/06/2006 22:18 Re: Empeg future? [Re: JaBZ]
SE_Sport_Driver
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Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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Wow! Congrats on the new job Hugo...
Hopefully you can be as helpful with regards to tech info on their players as you have been with Rio, however I somehow doubt that, they will lock you up in a dark room.. :P Let's hope the SigmaTel makes in into their harddrive variants with you on board.


If Apple starts using Sigmatel again, Hugo will be very valuable indeed with his new surroundings. Perhaps it was something that modivated his hire within Apple. (Pure specuation I know, but it's fun!)
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#281881 - 10/06/2006 02:05 Re: Empeg future? [Re: altman]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
Wow! Congratulations!

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I can believe that they'll take the opportunity to build themselves a fancy new player with all the bells and whistles. Apart from anything else, their sales now justify a major software investment, whereas the original iPod (pre iTunes, especially) was a bit of a flyer for Apple and was pretty risk-averse in its software design. ...snip.....


What can I say? You go boy! ...and....on a more practical note:

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