#282275 - 31/05/2006 12:52
Desert Island Revisited
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Looking back at the original desert island thread got me thinking about how my tastes have changed a bit and I was wondering about the rest of you- are the same albums still your absolute favorites? And how much is the concept of an album really relevant anymore? Does anyone listen to albums straight through, or is it more playlists these days? I'm mostly playlists, though somtimes I put on my favorite albums end to end. Anyway, I was thinking it'd be interesting to see the changes from our original picks. Desert Island 10Rush- Moving Pictures Evanescence- Fallen Pearl Jam- Ten Sarah McLachlan- Surfacing Sting- Ten Summoner's Tales Rush- Roll The Bones Clint Black- D'lectrified Caedmon's Call- Caedmon's Call Nichole Nordeman- Brave Steady On- Steady On* Bomb Shelter 20Rush- 2112 David Wilcox- Big Horizon Enter the Haggis- Casualties of Retail Caedmon's Call- 40 Acers Copper- The Fragile Fall Terrie Winkle- Standing Here Rush- Power Windows Rush- Hold Your Fire Caedmon's Call- My Calm/ Your Storm Steven Curtis Chapman- Signs of Life *Yes, it's kind of lame to chose my own CD, but heck, I'm proud of it and it has a lot of sentimental value.
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#282276 - 31/05/2006 14:38
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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Qui est "in" (new ones in bold): 1. The Stone Roses, The Stone Roses, by a mile from: 2. Leftfield, Leftism 3. The Orb's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld 4. The Happy Mondays, Pills 'n' Thrills 'n' Bellyaches 5. New Order, Substance 6. Portishead, Dummy 7. Orbital, Diversions 8. Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here, (Crazy Diamond wins it for me against Dark Side Of The Moon) 9. Ralph Myerz & The Jack Herren Band, A Special Album 10. Lemon Jelly, lemonjelly.ky
Bomb Shelter 20: 11. James, Goldmother 12. Shortwave Set, The Debt Collection 13. Röyksopp, Melody AM 14. Kirsty McGee, Frost (Sophie wins it against Honeysuckle, though it's a shame Turn The River Back isn't on any of the albums) 15. 808 State, United State 90 16. The Crystal Method, Vegas 17. Nouvelle Vague, Nouvelle Vague 18. The KLF, Chill Out 19. Michelle Shocked, Texas Campfire Tapes 20. The Beatles, Sergeant Pepper
OK, I seem to have discovered some really good albums since 2002, at least two of which (Vegas, Leftism) were on someone else's list back then already.
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#282277 - 31/05/2006 16:23
Re: Desert Island Revisited
[Re: peter]
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Greetings!
In some ways, I am very surprised how much this list has changed since last time. But a lot of it depends on timing and mood, I guess.
I still assume a concept "double album" count as one, especially if they can fit on the same CD. So, in no particular order:
Desert Island 10... Dave Brubeck: The Last Set At Newport Echolyn: As The World Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Pictures At An Exhibition Enter The Haggis: Casualties Of Retail Horslips: The Book Of Invasions Jethro Tull: Thick As A Brick Marillion: Clutching At Straws Phish: Gamehendge (custom CD from a live concert) Pink Floyd: Dark Side Of The Moon Rusted Root: When I Woke (willing to swap with a custom CD variation that I will not admit to in public)
Bomb Shelter 20... (never done in my original post) Blue Man Group: Audio Broadside Electric: 10th Anniversary Concert (custom CD from a live concert) Fish: Vigil In A Wilderness Of Mirrors Gordon Lightfoot: Gord's Gold (a best of collection) Marillion: The Thieving Magpie (live double album) Moody Blues: Days Of Future Passed Myst: Myst Soundtrack New St. George: High Tea Pink Floyd: Obscured By Clouds Renaissance: Live at Carnegie Hall (live double album)
These days, I would probably have a Karma on the island, so there would be a lot of individual stray tracks as well.
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#282278 - 31/05/2006 16:43
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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I never did this before, but going to play now.
Desert Island 10 Marillion: Clutching at Straws Thievery Corp: The Mirror Conspiracy Rush: Moving Pictures Royksopp: Melody AM Miles Davis: Kind of Blue Yoko Kanno:Cowboy Bebop OST 1 Ahmad Jahmal: But Not For Me Kenji Kawai: Ghost in the Shell OST Big Head Todd And The Monsters: Sister Sweetly Toad The Wet Sproket: Fear
Bomb Shelter 20 Vangelis: Blade Runner Soundtrack Tori Amos: Scarlet's Walk Roger Waters: Amused to Death Peter Gaberiel: So Megashira: At Last Massive Attack: Protection Juno Reactor: Bible of Dreams Bob Schneider: Lonelyland Clandistine: Music From Home DJ Shadow: The Private Press
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#282280 - 31/05/2006 16:52
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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Hmmm, I never did one of these...
Desert Island 10
Depeche Mode - Violator Depeche Mode - Ultra Lemon Jelly - Lost Horizons Daft Punk - Homework The Very Best of the Smiths - Vol 1 Bloc Party - Silent Alarm Belle & Sebastian - Tigermilk Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister New Order - Substance Kraftwerk - Minimum Maximum
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Wu-Tang Clan - Wu Tang Forever Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antartica Depeche Mode - Music for the Masses Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion AFI - Sing the Sorrow Lemon Jelly - lemonjelly.ky Nofx - Punk In Drublic Pet Shop Boys - Actually The Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Generation The Prodigy - Fat of the Land
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#282281 - 31/05/2006 16:55
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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Indeed! An excellent recommendation! Edit: Oh, by the way, in case you were not aware, Enter The Haggis is releasing their new album Soapbox Heroes in July.
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#282282 - 31/05/2006 17:06
Re: Desert Island Revisited
[Re: JeffS]
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Quote: And how much is the concept of an album really relevant anymore? Does anyone listen to albums straight through, or is it more playlists these days?
For the purposes of this exercise, remember that the artists themselves still create albums. People with large capacity MP3 players doesn't change that.
There's something about the format of a record album that makes it a work of art unto itself. A carefully crafted piece of music, about 40-50 minutes long and split into two subsections (side one and side two), each subsection split into individual 3-5 minute compositions. Lately, the CD format has modified those specs somewhat, but it's mostly the same thing. For most artists, an album hangs together as a single work, an expression of what the artist was feeling during the months that it took to make the album. The best albums are the ones that have a consistent voice and speak as a whole, even if the album itself contains varying styles, and even if the album isn't a concept album or a rock opera.
Thus, I should remind players that one of the rules of this game is: No compilation or greatest hits albums.
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#282284 - 31/05/2006 17:15
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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Quote: There's something about the format of a record album that makes it a work of art unto itself.
Yes, I agree, which is why I started the thread. I guess my question is how many people still treat albums like this? I know I don't as much as I used to- and of my personal collection, only the albums I've listed ever get treated as a single "work of art unto itself", regardless of what the artist intended. Most music I own just ends up being singles shuffled into playlists.
From the side of being an artist, when we recorded our CD we hoped that people would listen to it as a cohesive work of art. We spent a lot of time on song placement and tried hard to make sure they flowed well from one to the next, musically and thematically.
Edited by JeffS (31/05/2006 17:18)
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#282285 - 31/05/2006 17:16
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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Quote: And how much is the concept of an album really relevant anymore? Does anyone listen to albums straight through, or is it more playlists these days?
I either listen to individual albums or a massive shuffle. Albums are important to me. If an artist releases a single I like but the rest of the album is filler, I won't buy it. That has lessened somewhat for me with the advent of being able to buy individual songs for a reasonable price, but I've still never actually done it. (I probably ought to.)
Generally speaking, though, if an artist can't put together an album worth listening to, they generally don't have the talent to put together a single song worth listening to with any frequency, in my experience.
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#282286 - 31/05/2006 17:17
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Quote: Edit: Oh, by the way, in case you were not aware, Enter The Haggis is releasing their new album Soapbox Heroes in July.
Woo Hoo! I was not aware. I still haven't seen them live, which apparently is 10 times better than the CD. I'll definitely be picking up the new one when it comes out.
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#282288 - 31/05/2006 19:27
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Greetings!
Guilty. I have one. There is a Greatest Hits on there... Let's see...
Replace Gordon Lightfoot: Gord's Gold with Vince Guaraldi: A Charlie Brown Christmas.
I would make an exception for live / concert albums. While I agree that it may have songs from various other albums, as long as the performance is solid, it is really capturing a point in time of the band's career. Especially if the entire recording is captured live from one session, or if the band edits and releases it themselves as a mix from a single tour.
In many cases, there are works available live that are not available at all in studio form (Phish: Gamehendge & Broadside Electric: 10th Anniversary Concert) or are (in my personal opinion) a different or superior work to the studio edit (Renaissance: Live From Carnegie Hall disk 2 - Scheherazade live with a 20+ minute Ashes Are Burning & Marillion: Thieving Magpie - Misplaced Childhood played through live).
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#282289 - 31/05/2006 20:00
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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I have to agree with the exception on the live album. There are just some live albums that were so well done, that they capture something that is almost impossible to repeat in the studio. Also, the soundtrack albums I've got in there are all done by that artist, and just for that show/movie, so I'm going to have to stand by them Also the fact that I still listen to them even after 5+ years since they were released.
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#282290 - 01/06/2006 00:57
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My first go was 26 albums, so I have a little addendum: Desert Island 10
- Sparta - Wiretap Scars
- Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium
- Bob Mould - Workbook
- Foo Fighters - The Colour and the Shape
- The Who - Live at Leeds
- Get-Up Kids - Something To Write Home About
- Husker Du - Zen Arcade
- Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights
- Nirvana - In Utero
- Local H - No Fun EP & Sugar - Beaster (two EPs counts as one album, right?)
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- Wilco - Summerteeth
- U2 - Achtung Baby
- Ozma - Rock and Roll Part Three
- Peter Gabriel - I/Car
- Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
- Pixies - Doolittle
- Radiohead - The Bends
- Genesis - Duke
- Weezer - Weezer (Blue)
- Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
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- Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted
- Snapcase - Designs for Automotion
- Dust Brothers - Fight Club Soundtrack
- Dandy Warhols - Thirteen Tales from Urban Bohemia
- Husker Du - Candy Apple Grey
I'm sure if I spent more time I could swap categories some more, but I'm calling it quits.
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#282291 - 01/06/2006 05:52
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Normally I listen to either full random, least often played or a tweaked most often played, which doesn't keep up with my acquisition - I still have over 1500 tracks I have never listened to <sigh>
But when I listen to albums, I think these would be the ones I would choose:
Desert Island 10
Metallica - Ride The Lightning The Cult - Manor Sessions Foo Fighters - The Colour and the Shape Pink Floyd - Delicate Sound of Thunder Radiohead - The Bends Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast Deep Purple - Made in Japan Gary Moore - We Want Moore Joe Satriani - Surfing With The Alien Queen - A Kind of Magic
Bomb Shelter 17 (ran out of ideas)
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Metallica - Kill 'Em All Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland The Doors - Weird Scenes Inside The Goldmine Offspring - Smash Pantera - Cowboys From Hell The Almighty - Powertrippin' Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin The Cult - Electric
Today's favourite
Lordi - Get Heavy
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#282292 - 01/06/2006 07:14
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Quote: U2 - Achtung Baby
Very interesting that this made your list and "The Joshua Tree" didn't. I've always felt like I was supposed to prefer "The Joshua Tree", but end up listening to "Achtung Baby" more often. One reason for this is that the recording quality on "The Joshua Tree" sounds they placed a glass up to the wall of the room in which the band was playing and then recorded what came out.
At any rate "Achtung Baby" ALMOST made my list (it would definitely fall in the next five), whereas "The Joshua Tree" wasn't really a consideration. I was feeling weird about this when I was making my list because TJT is so highly regarded, but now I feel a bit better since I guess I'm not alone . . .
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#282293 - 01/06/2006 10:39
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Quote: Radiohead - The Bends
Nice. Good to see this made two lists. I've had several discussions with people as to whether or not it was better than OK Computer. Honestly, I think OK Computer is a better album, but I enjoy The Bends far more. I love that album (although it would probably just miss my list).
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#282294 - 01/06/2006 11:47
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Desert Island 10 Faith No More - The Real Thing A Perfect Circle - Mer De Noms Onesidezero - Is This Room Getting Smaller? Days of the New - Days of the New (Red) Lostprophets - The Fake Sound of Progress Second Coming - Second Coming Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 (both full albums) Deftones - White Pony Cellophane - Cellophane Abdel Wright - Abdel Wright (This makes the top 10 for variety purposes)
Bomb Shelter 20 Faith No More - King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime Prick - Prick Our Lady Peace - Naveed Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory Coheed and Cambria - In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth: 3 Sevendust - Home Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black Taproot - Blue-Sky Research Type O Negative - Life is Killing Me Papa Roach - Live and Murderous in Chicago (DVD Audio)
Slightly Larger MP3 Player 30 Mad Season - Above Tool - Undertow Failure - Fantastic Planet Skunk Anansie - Post Orgasmic Chill Alice In Chains - Facelift Finger Eleven - The Grayest of Blue Skies Seven Mary Three - Rock Crown Silverchair - Diorama Tonic - Lemon Parade God Lives Underwater - Empty
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#282295 - 01/06/2006 13:16
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Desert Island 10
1. Louis Armstrong & Duke Ellington, "The Great Summit" 2. Louis Armstrong & Ella Fitzgerald, "The Best Of" (or, if I can have the 3-CD "complete recordings" set, I'd take that instead) 3. Duke Ellington, "Live at Newport '56" 4. Benny Goodman, "The Complete RCA Victor Small Group Recordings" 5. Bobby McFerrin & Yo-Yo Ma, "Hush" 6. Lyle Lovett and his Large Band 7. Afro-Cuban All Stars (self-titled) 8. Basella (Ella Fitzgerald with the Count Basie Orchestra) 9. Oscar Peterson and Count Basie, "Satch and Josh" 10. Ray Brown & Gene Harris, "Soular Energy" (hard to nail down any one best of these guys - but no desert island is complete without Gene Harris and Ray Brown)
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11. Bobby Timmons, "Moanin' Blues" 12. Oscar Peterson, "Night Train" 13. Blue Man Group, "The Complex" (either the DVD-Video or DVD-Audio) 14. Talking Heads, "Stop Making Sense" 15. Louis Armstrong, Hot Fives & Sevens (typically a 3-CD set) 16. Leftfield, "Leftism" 17. Orbital, "In Sides" (hard to pick so few of this genre) 18. G. Love and Special Sauce (self-titled) 19. Cake, "Fashion Nugget" 20. Bjork, "Gling-Glo"
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#282296 - 01/06/2006 13:53
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Desert Island 10
1. The Jayhawks - Tomorrow The Green Grass 2. Cake - Prolonging The Magic 3. Weezer - Weezer (Blue Album) 4. The Crystal Method - Vegas 5. Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine 6. The Presidents Of The United States Of America - The Presidents Of The United States Of America II 7. Interpol - Turn On The Bright Lights 8. G. Love And Special Sauce - G. Love And Special Sauce 9. Crash Test Dummies - God Shuffled His Feet 10. Rob Zombie - American Made Music To Strip By
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11. The Jayhawks - Smile 12. Counting Crows - August And Everything After 13. Radiohead - The Bends 14. Grandaddy - Sumday 15. Aimee Mann - Magnolia [Soundtrack] 16. Jack Johnson - On And On 17. Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile 18. Beck - Odelay 19. Pearl Jam - Ten 20. Orbital - In Sides
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21. Nirvana - MTV Unplugged In New York 22. Morrissey - Vauxhall And I 23. The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots 24. Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness 25. Urge Overkill - Saturation 26. Led Zeppelin - II 27. Over The Rhine - Eve 28. David Gray - White Ladder 29. Matthew Sweet - 100% Fun 30. Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Egad, that was hard.
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#282297 - 01/06/2006 17:03
Re: Desert Island Revisited
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Quote: OK, I seem to have discovered some really good albums since 2002, at least two of which (Vegas, Leftism) were on someone else's list back then already.
Oooh, I can take credit for Vegas.
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#282298 - 03/06/2006 02:09
Re: Desert Island Revisited
[Re: JeffS]
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It's my first time on the desert island, and I'm feeling uninspired, so this hardly compares to my carefully crafted favorite 100 artists and second 100 favorite artists. Desert Island 10 in no order except the first Sting - Soul Cages (for my past) Bad Religion - Stranger Than Fiction (for truth) Dead Can Dance - Into the Labyrinth (for beauty) Beethoven Symphony # 6 Pastoral (for morning) Paul Oakenfold - Tranceport (for night) The Police - Ghost in the Machine (for happiness) Get Up Kids - Four Minute Mile (for sadness) Rush - Hold Your Fire (for escape) Dave Brubeck - Time Out (for bliss) They Might be Giants - John Henry (for variety) Oakie had to fight tough competition for that spot; namely Portishead - Welcome to Portishead (bootleg), Delerium - Spheres or Karma, and of course PaulWay. And Brubeck somehow snuck past Clifford Brown, Miles Davis, and Wayne Shorter. In typical fashion, a big multi reply: Jeff: Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales - first CD I ever bought and still love it. Peter: Portishead - Dummy - Live versions on "Welcome to Portishead" of Sour Times, Pedestal, Over and other are worth checking out. Bitt: Get-Up Kids - Something To Write Home About - I never would have guessed, but seeing the rest of your quality list, it makes sense. Dan: Bjork - Gling-Glo - A quality entry among your giants of jazz. She's so expressive to convey the message without understanding a word she's saying. Mark: David Gray - White Ladder, Matthew Sweet - 100% Fun - Excelent!
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#282299 - 03/06/2006 03:51
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[Re: JeffS]
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Quote: Joshua Tree
Yeah. It's not even next in consideration for me. Achtung Baby is probably followed by The Unforgettable Fire, then War, then Joshua Tree. Part of is due to overexposure, and part of it is due to a little lack of viscerality.
Personally, I find that a lot of those big-name 80s albums don't hold up so well. The one that always comes to mind for me is So, although overexposure isn't a problem for me there; I can still listen to Sledgehammer and Big Time and In Your Eyes over and over and over again. The non-single tracks on it are weak to me, though, and I think that's usually where a good album stands out. (No offense to whoever it was that listed it.)
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#282300 - 03/06/2006 03:54
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Quote: The Bends
As much as I am loath to admit it, I like big pop songs, and OK Computer doesn't really have any. That doesn't mean that it doesn't have great songs, but The Bends is just more immediate without much loss of depth.
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#282301 - 03/06/2006 10:55
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Quote: They Might be Giants - John Henry (for variety)
This is my favorite TMBG album! It was on my short list and would be in my top 50 definately. I probably wouldn't take it to the island/shelter because I can sing all of the songs by heart anyway.
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#282302 - 03/06/2006 12:00
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If I was going to have a TMBG album on my island, I'd probably go for Apollo 18. Not only does it have great songs, but it has a full band, rather than the now very cheesy-sounding drum machine of their earlier work. And, the "fingertips" could help with that whole stuck-on-an-island thing.
(That was also the period that I was a serious TMBG groupie. I saw them an awful lot in the early 90's.)
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