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You think that most of those people want to live there?

I think a lot of them have no problem living there.

Indians and other South Asians come to this country for its opportunity. They figure out how to get a Dunkin Donuts, 7-Eleven, or gas station franchises and make something of themselves and future generations.

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Indians and other South Asians come to this country for its opportunity.

You think it was free to come here? These people packed up their entire lives to come here, paying for a number of airline tickets, paying enough to get a Dunkin Donuts franchise, enough to buy or rent a building to house it in, etc. If you gave those poor Americans the same amount of money, they'd have the same opportunities.

Just as an example, the Subway franchise seems to be the foreigner franchise of choice down here. This link claims a Subway can be opened for "as little as $87,300", and goes on to comment that "costs are so low". You think those poor families have $87,300 lying around? The Dunkin Donuts franchise web site says "For Dunkin' Donuts store territories, minimum liquid assets is $650-750K and net worth of $1.2 - $1.5million depending on the markets. Some markets require a minimum number of units developed." They certainly don't have that kind of scratch.

Of course, none of this means that there aren't people out there that have no desire to improve themselves. Many of us have the ability to coast along and not be poor, but many don't.

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While there is a lot of laziness in poor communities (not that there's not also a lot of laziness in middle-class and rich communities, too), it's really hard to break the cycle of poverty when the best job you can get is working retail. A minimum wage job is under $11,000 a year, and there's unlikely to be any health insurance or paid time off in such a job.

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1) Live in a apartment - provided free by the government

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3) Free heath care at the local clinic - provided by the government

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We should make public services less appealing

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1) Live in a apartment - provided free by the government

The projects in my city are largely not free. In addition, getting a job doesn't increase your rent for 18 months, so you won't be taking in less money just because you started working.

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3) Free heath care at the local clinic - provided by the government

Free clinics are not run by the government, but they are largely open only during business hours and even then desperately understaffed, which means that people usually get sent away.

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See the Pound Cake Speech. I guess Bill Cosby (a black man) is also a fool.

I don't know if you're trying to be politically correct or if you're just burdened with a tremendous amount of white guilt.

I didn't look for anything to disprove Billy's "statistics," but I think it should be noted that I had to reason to doubt them. I know which neighborhoods to stay away from at night.

I think a lot of them have no problem living there.

Indians and other South Asians come to this country for its opportunity. They figure out how to get a Dunkin Donuts, 7-Eleven, or gas station franchises and make something of themselves and future generations.

Take a drive through Spring Valley, NY and you see black guys during all hours of the day on the street corner, drinking out of paper bags, and hanging out in bodegas. I know of no other community of people where such a large number of young males simply don't work.

Yeah, there are bad white neighborhoods, but I can only think of two within 100 miles of me. Every black neighborhood I can think of is considered bad, and not just by me. A glance at any local paper will let you know.

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his lesson included diagrams, like a shot of a four lane highway with cars side-by-side in each lane, all going 55. I would love to see that on an actual highway.

Your wish...

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How should they be less appealing? They're pretty unappealing as is.

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The services are limited mostly to emergency services. So if you’re poor and have a cold you go to the trauma center for treatment.

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This then clogs the trauma center with sore throat victims while real trauma patents are left waiting.

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Also the cost of a trauma center visit is much more expensive than a doctor’s office call. Eventually tax payers pay the cost.

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Are you implying that blacks are poor because they are lazy?

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That's pretty scumbaggy. What do you want me to say? "I'm surprised they weren't black"?

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Are you implying that blacks are poor because they are lazy?

While it is undeniable that on average some races are shorter, some are stronger and some have darker skin. Why is it such a stretch to say some races (on average) are smarter than others or more inclined to work. I guess these less tangible traits are more easily excused away by other factors.

The USA may maintain that all men are equal, in regards to rights, but God (or evolution) did not make everyone the same.

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Are you implying that blacks are poor because they are lazy?

While it is undeniable that on average some races are shorter, some are stronger and some have darker skin. Why is it such a stretch to say some races (on average) are smarter than others or more inclined to work. I guess these less tangible traits are more easily excused away by other factors.

The USA may maintain that all men are equal, in regards to rights, but God (or evolution) did not make everyone the same.

Well, then I'm going to imply that whatever race you are is retarded.

(that's a joke people!)

I DARE you to tell my black PhD student gf that her race is inferior to any other race. Go ahead, I DARE you. Ignorant prick.

God damn, I am so upset by the ignorant statements in this thread.

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I can tell. You have really been downing everyone.

I just said what you've been prodding everyone else to say. The difference is I don’t give a shit what pompous asses like you think. See I can lower myself to name calling too.

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I DARE you to tell my black PhD student gf that her race is inferior to any other race. Go ahead, I DARE you. Ignorant prick.

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I can tell. You have really been downing everyone.

I just said what you've been prodding everyone else to say. The difference is I don’t give a shit what pompous asses like you think. See I can lower myself to name calling too.

Well, certainly my name-calling isn't very nice or productive, but I don't think I'd consider myself pompous. Let me ask you, do you consider your race superior to another?

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Why is it such a stretch to say some races (on average) are smarter than others or more inclined to work.

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Why is it such a stretch to say some races (on average) are smarter than others or more inclined to work.

Because THOSE traits are not controlled by the same genes that control skin color. There is more variation of those traits within the same race than there is across races. Assuming that skin color affects something like intelligence is the most basic definition of racism.

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There is more variation of those traits within the same race than there is across races. Assuming that skin color affects something like intelligence is the most basic definition of racism.

IQ	Race/ethnicity
115	Ashkenazi Jews
105	East asians
99	Europeans
91	Hispanics
91	Inuit
87	African americans
87	Southeast asians and american indians
85	Pacific islanders
84	Middle easterners
67	Subsaharan africans
62	Australian aborigines

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The projects in my city are largely not free. In addition, getting a job doesn't increase your rent for 18 months, so you won't be taking in less money just because you started working.

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Come one Bitt, didn't you know that Jews are more likely to know how to handle money purely because of their parents religious affiliation? This stuff is common knowledge! Seriously... this thread is scary.

Read this.
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin...5926119779Guest
Study about how stereotypes influence perception of local crime despite the evidence.

and search google for "racial attributes stereotypes" or something similar... and read up.

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Racism is, quite simply, the assumption of a trait based on race. This can range from assuming that black people are lazy to assuming that asian people are smart.