#290608 - 07/12/2006 19:44
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: oliver]
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Hm. Is there anything special about your keyboard and mouse? For example, are they wireless, and have you set your bluetooth adapter so that it's allowed to poweroff after a set time period?
Also: How sure are you that this is RDP related? Maybe even if you never logged in remotely, but just left the home system sitting all day, the same thing would happen?
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#290609 - 07/12/2006 20:32
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: tfabris]
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Hm. Is there anything special about your keyboard and mouse? For example, are they wireless, and have you set your bluetooth adapter so that it's allowed to poweroff after a set time period?
PS2 all the way, I've never liked USB for the keyboard/mouse due to lag directly after startup (mainly from XP and prior)
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Also: How sure are you that this is RDP related? Maybe even if you never logged in remotely, but just left the home system sitting all day, the same thing would happen?
I'm positive it's RDP related, as after 8-12 hours of sleep my computer will turn the monitors into powersave mode. I can move the mouse or hit any key and it will wake up instantly.
I noticed this bug in RC2 of Vista, I'd never connected remotely before because my PC would BSOD every 15 minutes before. I didn't bother reporting it at RC2 because I figured it was a common problem I had bigger issues to work out (the BSOD's)
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#290610 - 08/12/2006 02:57
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: oliver]
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Oliver,
I know someone who works for MS Corporate Support. They have been working with Vista for over a year already. I'll ask him if he has a chance to look at your problem and comment on it. Cool?
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#290611 - 08/12/2006 06:47
Re: Vista RTM
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Never had problems with business spec Dells. I run everything on them - my corporate build on a D620 dual core, and most of my pen test stuff on D600s. They are all pretty fast, whether under XP (spit) or various Linuxes. They never crash (unless I make silly config mistakes) and they cope with pretty much anything I plug in. And their support is so good I bought my latest home server / games machine / vm box from them. Veyr good experience for me:-)
(of course ymmv)
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#290612 - 09/12/2006 22:52
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: oliver]
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I'm positive it's RDP related, as after 8-12 hours of sleep my computer will turn the monitors into powersave mode. I can move the mouse or hit any key and it will wake up instantly.
It might be related to what I have experienced multiple times now. I left my Vista running machine on and downloading a patch for Planetside when I went to the movies today. Came home after, and tried to check on it. Moved the mouse, hit the keyboard, and nothing on screen, just black. Caps lock did work, as it would toggle the state, but nothing happened. Finally went to power cycle the box, and hitting the power button caused the machine to then decide to display something, right before starting the normal shutdown sequence. I've had similar happen before, so it looks like Vista just doesn't like being left alone. The only non Vista included driver the system runs is the ATI video driver, and such an issue never showed up under XP.
Looks like the early adopters get the shaft again with this version of Windows. It's pretty much mirroring my attempt to move to XP early, and I think this time I'm just going to stick with XP, and forget about trying to upgrade my program to be Vista friendly. UAC pretty much kills it anyhow.
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#290613 - 10/12/2006 16:45
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: drakino]
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I'm positive it's RDP related, as after 8-12 hours of sleep my computer will turn the monitors into powersave mode. I can move the mouse or hit any key and it will wake up instantly.
It might be related to what I have experienced multiple times now. I left my Vista running machine on and downloading a patch ... Moved the mouse, hit the keyboard, and nothing on screen, just black. Caps lock did work, as it would toggle the state, but nothing happened. Finally went to power cycle the box, and hitting the power button caused the machine to then decide to display something, right before starting the normal shutdown sequence ... The only non Vista included driver the system runs is the ATI video driver, and such an issue never showed up under XP.
Actually, after watching very closely for the last couple days. My issue isn't directly with RDP, it's most likely just an video driver issue.
I'm guessing it's the ATI video driver now, and with what you've said it's pretty much exactly my issue. I have my displays set to never sleep, so they're on in the morning when I get up and I just hit the power buttons before I goto sleep. The only time they enter the sleep state is when I connect remotely via RDP to my desktop. However, yesturday my PC wasn't in the sleep state when I got back from work even after connecting via RDP all day.
So it's turned into a hit or miss problem. I'm hoping ATI fixes it along with the OpenGL support so I can play some x-plane in vista 
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#290614 - 11/12/2006 17:28
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: oliver]
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I'm positive it's RDP related, as after 8-12 hours of sleep my computer will turn the monitors into powersave mode.
Ah. Just checked. FITNR.
Might possibly be ATI-Related, as the internal report specifically mentions it.
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#290615 - 11/12/2006 17:45
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: tfabris]
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Ah. Just checked. FITNR.
We have to wait 5 more years for Blackcomb to fix this? :-P
This article seems to confirm some major issues with anything sleep related in Vista, and has signs that both NVidia and ATI are causing some (but not all) of the problems.
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#290616 - 14/12/2006 13:09
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: drakino]
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Ok, a new ATI video driver has been posted on their website. It's 8.31.100.3.2.1, my old driver was 8.31.100. Let's hope this fixes the sleep problem. So far it looks promising.
Now all I need is some OpenGL support and I'll be happy.
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#290617 - 14/12/2006 13:23
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: oliver]
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Oliver (or anybody who could help), how is the licensing model working with the Ultimate you get from MSDN account? Does it require activation, or is it like the VLM versions?
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#290618 - 14/12/2006 13:28
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: Taym]
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Does it require activation, or is it like the VLM versions?
It requires activation. All copies of Vista do now, including VLM versions for the enterprise. Companies will need to set up their own internal activation servers for the company network for a mass deployment of a VLM version of Vista.
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#290619 - 14/12/2006 13:53
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: drakino]
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Oh! So what is practically the difference between the two? Will the VLM versions lock after a while if not activated, just like the others? It's not a major problem, but it can really become annoying in testing environments, where the hd changes frequently...
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#290621 - 14/12/2006 13:58
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: andy]
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Switch to Linux!
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#290623 - 14/12/2006 14:43
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: Taym]
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http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact.mspx has more info on it. Ultimate does not have a VLM version, only the Business or Enterprise versions. The FAQ doesn't answer your concern directly, but seems to hint that a reactivation will expire the oldest activation of the code not currently in use. So reactivating on the same hardware should be fine.
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#290624 - 14/12/2006 15:16
Re: Vista RTM
[Re: drakino]
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Thanks Drakino!
That was very informative. I had simply assumed VLM licensing method was just unchanged since Windows XP, and never spent a minute learning about it!
Based on what I am reading, the new MAK activation method for VLM versions can still be easily crackable, since it can be performed via phone. Which means, as usual, that there's little piracy stopping and a lot of annoyance for those who work with Vista.
I have nothing against Vista, or Microsoft, or whatever. But this activation method is just bad.
On the other hand, the KMS is going to be quicker and remove completely the hassle to enter a SN. But you need an activation server.
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