#292512 - 20/01/2007 21:01
Hilary Clinton
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Would be interested to know what the Merkins make of her running for the top job. Do you think she'll get it?
Personally, I think it's about time a woman got into the big house.
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#292513 - 21/01/2007 01:04
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Personally, I think it's about time a woman got into the big house.
Me too, just not *that* woman. Figuring out what Hillary's position on any given issue is damn near impossible with all the pandering and playing both sides of the issues.
There are many more capable women in the national spotlight. it's unfortunate that Hillary's probably the only one that will run in '08.
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#292514 - 21/01/2007 05:36
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Agree. Besides which, I don't think a woman could win a popular vote for President in the US yet.
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#292515 - 21/01/2007 14:03
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Sadly, after Bush, I think "Mrs. Slick Willy" could worm her way into the hearts of the public. Maybe I underestimate the power of pig headedness that's apparently in other parts of the country. Regardless, I'd rather see anyone else in the director's chair but her. "Her Slickness" will probably only dodge the nation's issues instead of working them out.
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#292516 - 21/01/2007 22:04
Re: Hilary Clinton
[Re: furtive]
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Last month's issue of the Atlantic (maybe 2 months ago) had a good article about her. The conclusion was that she basically sold out and became a pandering moderate in order to advance her career and achieve power. I personally thought her agenda of the early Bill administration was extremely misguided, so this is actually a good thing, IMHO. The point of the article, though, was that she's just become another career politician like any other.
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#292517 - 22/01/2007 02:07
Re: Hilary Clinton
[Re: furtive]
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Well, keeping in mind her Whitewater escapades (or what ever it was called) her National ID for the world campaign, her references to herself and billy as "We ARE the President..." as well as many other items....I think she fits into politics quite well. Wow! Can you imagaine how F'd we be if she were pres, and Nancy P. was her VP????
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#292518 - 22/01/2007 02:11
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Wow! Can you imagaine how F'd we be if she were pres, and Nancy P. was her VP????
As much as I can't stand her and wouldn't vote for her, we'd be no worse off than we are with W.
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#292519 - 22/01/2007 02:41
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Can you imagaine how F'd we be if she were pres, and Nancy P. was her VP????
Nancy Pelosi would not go anywhere near a HIllary Clinton presidential ticket. Nancy is a genuine progressive Democrat, and while her position as majority leader requires her to hedge just a bit so she can keep the caucus together, she speaks her mind much more than Hillary ever will. Unfortunately, speaking one's mind and having actual positions on issues doesn't seem to play well on the road to the White House.
The good news is that her "San Francisco liberal" voting record happens to line up with what a majority of Americans want these days after a belly full of do-nothing GOP leadership in Congress.. So, the best place for her in 2008 and beyond is where she is right now.
And, riffing off of Dave's comments... I'd take Hillary and Nancy, Beavis and Butthead, or Tango and Cash over Commander Codpiece and Darth Cheney. Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING could be worse than the nitwits that currently constitute the executive branch.
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#292521 - 22/01/2007 14:27
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Well, the new Democratically controlled Congress is doing a very good job with their "first 100 hours" plan. Maybe they can keep the speed up and roll back much of the police state legislation that's gone through.
Honestly, I'd really like to see the President and the AG impeached for illegally spying on US citizens.
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#292522 - 22/01/2007 18:51
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Someone has up an '08 frontrunner quiz. It seems to be reasonably well-researched and accurate.
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#292523 - 22/01/2007 19:21
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Someone has up an '08 frontrunner quiz. It seems to be reasonably well-researched and accurate.
Two questions:
What does the percentage in the results mean? My top choice has a 100% next to it. I doubt that it means I matched with that candidate 100%, unless the "high, medium, low" qualifiers in the quiz don't mean anything.
Do you perhaps have a link to a similar questionnaire that doesn't bombard me with popups? Even with the Firefox popup blocker, I got two pretty annoying ones, and it looks like it already blocked two.
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#292524 - 22/01/2007 19:27
Re: Hilary Clinton
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The results are scored on a curve. 100% means that we are 100% certain that the top candidate on your list shares more of the views you indicated than any other candidate.
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#292525 - 22/01/2007 19:38
Re: Hilary Clinton
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The results are scored on a curve. 100% means that we are 100% certain that the top candidate on your list shares more of the views you indicated than any other candidate.
Ah, gotcha. I didn't want to go back for fear of getting hammered again. I like the idea of the site, but it has a horrible design and it's filled with ads.
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#292526 - 22/01/2007 21:22
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Sorry. I got no ads at all. ( AdBlock Plus w/ EasyList).
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#292527 - 22/01/2007 22:36
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Registered: 20/01/2002
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Loc: New Orleans, LA
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Interesting.... I got all republican's leading the list, then all democrats trailing. Nothing like being polar opposites.
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#292528 - 22/01/2007 22:54
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Interesting.... I got all republican's leading the list, then all democrats trailing. Nothing like being polar opposites. Interesting -- I got all Democrats leading the list. Obviously you are some sort of subversive out to utterly destroy the country!  (Juuuusst kidding!) Oh, wait -- it looks like George W. beat you to it.  tanstaafl.
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#292529 - 22/01/2007 23:23
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Registered: 20/01/2002
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I knew that'd draw a little fire. Hehe, I swear I'm not trolling, either.
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#292530 - 22/01/2007 23:25
Re: Hilary Clinton
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Oh, and for the record, I certainly don't agree 100% with Bush (especially on privacy issues), but I guess I line up far more to the right than some.
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#292531 - 23/01/2007 04:07
Re: Hilary Clinton
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I took the test again and skewed my answers as far to the right as I could (except for the deficit question -- when did "spend without remorse" become a conservative ideal?) without feeling slimy, basically describing a Republican nominee I wouldn't wig out over, which left me pretty centrist, IMO. Mostly "neithers" with like one or two right answers, plus "civil liberties are important", and I still got almost all Republicans at the top. So you don't have to be very far to the right to "line up" with Republicans.
But it wasn't totally all Republicans then all Democrats. Hagel and McCain were way at the bottom of the list, and Richardson was above a good number of Republicans.
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#292532 - 23/01/2007 04:49
Re: Hilary Clinton
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#292533 - 23/01/2007 07:52
Re: Hilary Clinton
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I should vote for Sen. Barack Obama apparently.
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#292534 - 23/01/2007 13:18
Re: Hilary Clinton
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I should vote for Sen. Barack Obama apparently.
"you are me"
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#292535 - 23/01/2007 13:44
Re: Hilary Clinton
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I should vote for Sen. Barack Obama apparently.
I also got matched with Obama (we're compatible! we should date!), and I'm happy about that. He's the candidate I agreed with the most already.
The only problem is I do not expect him to have any chance of winning. Not by a longshot.
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#292536 - 23/01/2007 18:17
Re: Hilary Clinton
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"The last thing America needs is a radical liberal who supports the war and the death penalty while opposing flag-burning and gay marriage."
Hah! It's funny because it's true!
What I don't get is who is supporting her candidacy?
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#292537 - 23/01/2007 23:05
Re: Hilary Clinton
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What I don't get is who is supporting her candidacy?
1. Partisan Democrats who focus on "electability" over substance.
2. Center-left moderates who think she can snap her fingers and bring back the ghost of Bill Clinton's glory years when we had a surplus budget and weren't mired in an unnecessary war.
3. People who don't follow politics closely enough to understand how banal she really is.
That's all I can think of, really.
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#292538 - 23/01/2007 23:34
Re: Hilary Clinton
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A Bible verse, Revelation 3:16, comes to mind: "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew you out of My mouth."
While quoted completely out of context, it describes my feelings for Hillary pretty accurately. I'd rather vote for someone like Obama who, while I don't agree with his politics, seems to at least stand for what he believes in. Hillary simply panders to her current audience and avoids controversy.
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#292539 - 24/01/2007 00:35
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A Bible verse, Revelation 3:16, comes to mind: "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew you out of My mouth."
Yeah, I can't stand my coffee tepid, either.
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#292540 - 24/01/2007 03:19
Re: Hilary Clinton
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A Bible verse, Revelation 3:16, comes to mind: .....
Revelation? Are you sure? I coulda swore it was Monica.
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#292541 - 24/01/2007 06:52
Re: Hilary Clinton
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A Bible verse, Revelation 3:16, comes to mind: .....
Revelation? Are you sure? I coulda swore it was Monica.
Had I been drinking something, it would have just spewn out of my mouth, no matter whether it was hot, cold, or tepid.
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