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#294766 - 09/03/2007 01:27 my health insurance annoys me
DWallach
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
This has happened often enough that it can't be a fluke. A regular doctor visit is supposed to have a $25 co-pay. I made a regular doctor visit last December. A bill just showed up in the mail. The insurance didn't cover $10 of the doctor's fee. The doctor now wants another $10.

What will happen, what always happens, is that I'll call the insurance and yell at them and they'll pay the $10. They make this sufficiently painful that it's almost easier to just pay the $10. This makes me suspect it's a deliberate business strategy. My employer negotiated for a certain set of rates and co-pays and heaven knows what else, and this is how the insurance company tries to make extra cash. Very annoying and probably makes them liable to a class action lawsuit, if only somebody were sufficiently annoyed as to bother suing them.

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#294767 - 09/03/2007 06:49 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: DWallach]
furtive
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Registered: 14/08/2001
Posts: 886
Loc: London, UK
Things like this make me glad we have a National Health Service in the UK
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#294768 - 09/03/2007 07:16 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: furtive]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Things like this make me glad we have a National Health Service in the UK

We will never have universal health care in the US because people in Canada stand in line and are completely oppressed by their health care system.
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#294769 - 09/03/2007 07:23 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: furtive]
andy
carpal tunnel

Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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Things like this make me glad we have a National Health Service in the UK


Absolutely. The NHS is probably the single most useful thing that the UK government has done in the last 150 years.
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#294770 - 09/03/2007 12:33 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: jimhogan]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
Quote:
Quote:
Things like this make me glad we have a National Health Service in the UK

We will never have universal health care in the US because people in Canada stand in line and are completely oppressed by their health care system.


s/oppressed by/obsessed with/



Edited by mlord (09/03/2007 12:33)

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#294771 - 09/03/2007 12:53 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: DWallach]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
This happened to me before. Turned out that my GP had somehow been registered with the insurance company as a specialist, which required a higher copay. No idea if that's the case with you or not -- certainly my doctor's office knew about it, as every patient with the same insurance company as me was having the same problem. Eventually it got fixed, and the doctor's office floated the extra money until it was.

I guess my point is, ask your doctor's office about it if you haven't already.
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#294772 - 09/03/2007 14:51 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: wfaulk]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
The "specialist" angle is almost certainly what happened, but it's still entirely uncool. I went in with yee-olde annoying cold to see if I needed antibiotics. I certainly wasn't in need of specialized treatment (and, in fact, wasn't even in need of antibiotics).

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#294773 - 09/03/2007 17:03 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: DWallach]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I guess the point that I left out is that the doctor needed to be reclassified as a GP instead of a specialist. (ISTR him being classified as "internal medicine", which the insurance company classified as a specialty.) If your doctor is, in fact, a primary care physician, then he should be classified as a generalist with the insurance company.
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#294774 - 09/03/2007 17:11 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: wfaulk]
DWallach
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
I just got off the phone with the insurance. Turns out, a doctor only counts as your primary doctor if you declare them as such to the insurance company. I've now made the appropriate declarations. Lovely. Even more complicated is dealing with my sabbatical in California. Apparently, I can change the "service region" for my wife and daughter by just saying so, and they can then go "in network" anywhere that's part of the insurance company's "HMO" plan. I, however, don't have that luxury. To change my service region, I have to ask my employer to do it for me.

Does any of this strike any of you as unnecessarily complicated?

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#294775 - 09/03/2007 17:38 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: DWallach]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
If it wasn't, how could they screw you? Come on. Wake up to the American Dream!

Also, never go with the HMO option if you have any interest in reducing complexity.


Edited by wfaulk (09/03/2007 17:39)
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#294776 - 12/03/2007 04:48 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: mlord]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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s/oppressed by/obsessed with/


More facts just in that prove my point:

I saw on Fox News' caterpillar this weekend (hanging in a hotel for a wedding) that the Walter Reed debacle proves that a national health care system will never work here.

QED, eh?
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#294777 - 13/03/2007 23:04 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: DWallach]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5549
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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This makes me suspect it's a deliberate business strategy.


Try this on for size...

MY insurance company specifically excludes preventative care from their coverage.

That means if I want a PSA test for colon cancer screening (or, God forbid, a colonostomy exam) I pay for it 100% myself.

It is absolutely beyond my comprehension that the insurance company bean counters could possibly believe that not paying for a few PSA tests will save them enough money to cover the expenses involved if even one of their clients contracts colon cancer and remains undiagnosed until it is in the late stages.

I wonder if I went to see the doctor with a big gash in my arm if the insurance company would deny coverage on the basis that putting in the stitches was a preventative measure, preventing me from bleeding to death? I wouldn't put it past them.

Mexico has excellent health care, and as a resident (I'll be class FM-3 when I move there) I will be eligible for their health care insurance for about $300 per year that covers both my wife and myself.

tanstaafl.
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#294778 - 14/03/2007 14:44 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: tanstaafl.]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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colonostomy exam

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

-stomy: surgical operation establishing a usually permanent opening into (such) a part

They usually leave the "on" off of "colon", too. Such an exam would also probably be more maintenance than prophylaxis.

I'm thinking you meant "colonoscopy".
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#294779 - 14/03/2007 23:10 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: wfaulk]
jimhogan
carpal tunnel

Registered: 06/10/1999
Posts: 2591
Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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I'm thinking you meant "colonoscopy".

Me, too. I was hoping/thinking that was a conflagism. Otherwise, I might have been a little bummed out!

(edit: Hmmm, I think I meant to say "conflalogism".)


Edited by jimhogan (14/03/2007 23:26)
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#294780 - 15/03/2007 00:40 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: wfaulk]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5549
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Oh, picky, picky, picky. I mean, I was only off by two measly letters...

tanstaafl.
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#294781 - 15/03/2007 00:48 Re: my health insurance annoys me [Re: tanstaafl.]
lectric
pooh-bah

Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Hehe, but what an important two.

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