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#343521 - 19/03/2011 00:41 DIY taken too far.
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I am working on finishing the upper level of my house and have been reading some DIY forums.

I came across this thread about a guy rebuilding an old house in Germany. http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/german-house-rebuild-23424/

It's really long because he has been working on it for about three years but I found it interesting to see how different the construction methods were than what I am used to seeing in the USA.

Also diychatroom.com is way better than doityourself.com if anyone else is looking for some DIY info.


Edited by msaeger (19/03/2011 01:38)
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#343524 - 19/03/2011 08:43 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: msaeger]
LittleBlueThing
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Loc: Reading, UK
mmmm - saw what looked like a lot of bodges going on though.

Eg:


Not nice for the next owner who nails through the power cable when putting up a picture or a cupboard ...
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#343525 - 19/03/2011 09:06 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: LittleBlueThing]
andy
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Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
All the more reason to never ever nail something into the wall until you've checked for a live wire.
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#343527 - 19/03/2011 10:58 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: andy]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
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Loc: Toronto, CANADA
I don't think anyone is gong to be "nailing" anything into that wall, since it looks like it's made of brick and covered in concrete. wink

He should have at the very least done a vertical straight up from the switch box and then straight horizontal along the top, taking note not to crimp he wire on the bend. And running the wire inside a metal conduit/channel would have been nice too.
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#343528 - 19/03/2011 11:59 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: hybrid8]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
Yeah I saw things that seem weird to me I just figured that's how they do it there. It does sound like he had inspections.

That is a something I didn't think about, how do you hang anything with block walls. Drill a hole and put a screw in ?
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#343529 - 19/03/2011 12:02 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: msaeger]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
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Loc: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted By: msaeger


That is a something I didn't think about, how do you hang anything with block walls. Drill a hole and put a screw in ?



http://www.concretefasteners.com/anchors-fasteners/index.aspx
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#343530 - 19/03/2011 12:04 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: msaeger]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
Originally Posted By: msaeger
That is a something I didn't think about, how do you hang anything with block walls. Drill a hole and put a screw in ?

For light things (photos in frames) you use a small nail into the plaster (not concrete) covering the wall. For heavier things, yes, you drill a hole and put in a wallplug and screw. For very heavy things (bookcases), you drill a hole and use an expanding bolt.

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#343531 - 19/03/2011 12:07 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: peter]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
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This is my favorite DIY site smile
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#343540 - 19/03/2011 19:33 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: msaeger]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Originally Posted By: msaeger

That is a something I didn't think about, how do you hang anything with block walls. Drill a hole and put a screw in ?

Most houses (including mine) here are brick and concrete on top. Actually, it is not "concrete" but usually something not as hard: which I can't find a correct English name for: plaster!
In any case, you can still hammer nails in it, and, in some occasions, when concrete is particularly hard, yes, that's exactly what you do: drill a hole and place a concrete fastener in. standard practice here (Italy). Wooden walls are extremely rare.
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#343571 - 20/03/2011 17:39 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: LittleBlueThing]
julf
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Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Unfortunately that is the way professional electricians are expected to do it here in Holland. Otherwise they are wasting the customer's money by adding to the distance they need to do.

And we all know that wasting money is the worst thing a Dutch person can imagine...

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#343574 - 20/03/2011 17:52 Re: DIY taken too far. [Re: julf]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
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Originally Posted By: julf
Unfortunately that is the way professional electricians are expected to do it here in Holland.

Same here in Italy. And I am equally unhappy about that.
Sometimes, pics are taken while cables are being placed, for future reference.
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