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#364791 - 17/09/2015 20:49 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: BartDG]
drakino
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Originally Posted By: Archeon
Oh yes, a fair warning to those who are still using an iPhone 5 / DON'T UPDATE TO IOS 9!!! I was stupid enough to do so and it has made my iPhone as slow as thick mud through a funnel. frown

Has it been at least 24 hours since you upgraded, and has the device sat in a charger unused during that time?

iOS major upgrades (8 to 9 here) wipe all device cache, and frequently wipe the spotlight DB. The slowness you are seeing right now may be tied to those caches and optimizations needing to be rebuilt. The phone is doing some of this in the background, and can usually complete it overnight when sitting in a charger.

iOS 9 has some changes in it specifically meant to make older devices at least stay at iOS 8 performance, and overall will improve performance and battery life a little bit.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/ios-9-on-the-iphone-4s-a-stay-of-execution-nothing-more/

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#364800 - 18/09/2015 06:50 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
BartDG
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Originally Posted By: drakino
Originally Posted By: Archeon
Oh yes, a fair warning to those who are still using an iPhone 5 / DON'T UPDATE TO IOS 9!!! I was stupid enough to do so and it has made my iPhone as slow as thick mud through a funnel. frown

Has it been at least 24 hours since you upgraded, and has the device sat in a charger unused during that time?

iOS major upgrades (8 to 9 here) wipe all device cache, and frequently wipe the spotlight DB. The slowness you are seeing right now may be tied to those caches and optimizations needing to be rebuilt. The phone is doing some of this in the background, and can usually complete it overnight when sitting in a charger.

Ok, it turns out this was effectively the problem. Yesterday (even a few hours after the update), when I pressed the home or power button eg, it took the phone 5 seconds or more to respond. Writing text was next to impossible because it took the keyboard 10 seconds to show up and seconds to respond to every single tap.

But now all seems fine, so I guess you were right Tom! (thank God!). I've been updating my phone with every possible update since iOS 6, but this is the first time this was the result, hence my initial reaction. But all seems fine now, it indeed doesn't seem slower than iOS 8.x was.

I retract my initial statement. smile

It's not all gold that glitters though... My main reason for updating was because iOS 9 finally supported ad blockers. Unfortunately, this only seems to work from iPhones 5s and up. cry I've read somewhere this is because the phone needs a 64 bit CPU for this to function properly. Oh well...
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#364802 - 18/09/2015 12:03 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
Daria
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Registered: 24/01/2002
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I'm applying my usual rule for the moment: no jailbreak, no update.

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#364803 - 18/09/2015 12:07 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: andy]
Daria
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Originally Posted By: andy
Don't wait too long though, they will stop signing 8.4.1 soon and then there is no going back.


This is the usual problem; unless you have a saved TSS and there are current tools to do it, going backwards is a limited time only deal.

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#364804 - 18/09/2015 14:18 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: Daria]
drakino
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Originally Posted By: Daria
I'm applying my usual rule for the moment: no jailbreak, no update.

Between the malware on the jailbreak side and the ability to sideload code as apps without cracking the phone, I'm wondering how it will impact the number of people who still jailbreak.

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#364805 - 18/09/2015 15:08 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
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I believe the provisioning profiles for apps built by people without developer accounts will expire after a short period, though I can't remember at the moment where I read that.

Also, surely almost all of the Jailbreak stuff does things that simply aren't possible on a non jailbroken device, being able to sideload apps won't allow those apps to do the funky stuff that you can do on a jailbroken device.
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#364810 - 18/09/2015 20:47 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: andy]
drakino
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Ouch, looks like for at least mostly Chinese apps so far, malware can hit your phone without being jailbroken due to the hackers targeting Xcode.

http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.c...hits-app-store/

http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.c...lions-of-users/

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#364811 - 18/09/2015 21:12 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
I didn't know about that. HEAD. DESK. SLAM.

Quote:
In China (and in other places around the world), sometimes network speeds are very slow when downloading large files from Apple’s servers. As the standard Xcode installer is nearly 3GB, some Chinese developers choose to download the package from other sources or get copies from colleagues.

By searching for “Xcode &#19979;&#36733;” (Xcode downloading) in Google, in the first page of the search results (Figure 1), we found that six months ago someone posted Xcode download links to multiple forums or websites (including Douban, SwiftMi, CocoaChina, OSChina, etc.) that Chinese iOS developers frequently visit.


So, do you....

. Blame the Great Firewall? Because it forces devs to use random third-party sites that are in-country.

. Blame Apple? Because they don't validate digital signatures on their own packages. Or because their App Store isn't rejecting apps with bogus libraries like this.

. Blame the devs? Because devs.

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#364812 - 18/09/2015 22:33 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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The devs may have disabled the digital signature validation (Gatekeeper on OS X). The second version of the signing protection implemented for OS X 10.10 (and patched into 10.9.5) will validate every file in Xcode.app. First gen signature checking was just checking the runtime binary (The executable in Contents/MacOS inside the .App bundle).

It's possible the hacked Xcode versions did properly validate as well. The leaked CIA documents indicating the US government was doing similar hinted at an OS X installer hack too. http://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/10/leaked-cia-documents-hacked-xcode/

Hopefully Apple can quickly add this detection to their app review process. Makes me wonder if Apple will also utilize the system to kill these apps in the wild. As far as I know, they still haven't made use of that yet, instead just pulling impacted apps off the store.

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#364831 - 21/09/2015 13:10 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
Daria
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The fun where I took Xcode 7 and suddenly my code (which assumed it wanted to use the SDK for the current build platform) failed to build was fun.

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#364832 - 21/09/2015 13:27 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
DWallach
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It appears that Apple threw together a system to detect this class of malware and remove it from the store (details).

It's just all kinds of amusing that the Great Firewall can be blamed as part of the problem here. No firewall and there would be no third-party sharing of dev tools. The same issue applies for Android. No firewall and the Google Play Store would be dominant in China. Instead, there are crappy Chinese app stores which "repackage" legit apps and add malware (typical article).

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#364845 - 22/09/2015 18:36 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: tanstaafl.]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Originally Posted By: tanstaafl.
I think my smart watch requirements are of a different nature from most of yours. smile

Agreed. What kind of smartwatch doesn't use RPN? wink


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#364847 - 22/09/2015 19:50 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
There's a great troll on this Apple support page for the watch.

(Read the initials clockwise...)


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#364856 - 23/09/2015 13:44 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
I almost feel sorry for Rick Astley. Almost.

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#364857 - 23/09/2015 14:39 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
larry818
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Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 1039
Loc: Fullerton, Calif.
Cool, an operationless calculator.

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#364859 - 23/09/2015 15:09 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: larry818]
drakino
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Hitting the blue button swaps to displaying the operators. Using RPN with this setup saves a swap back and forth when working with 2 numbers.

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#364860 - 23/09/2015 15:27 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
larry818
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I'm assuming 2 or more. How deep is the stack?

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#364861 - 23/09/2015 15:35 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: larry818]
drakino
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Posts: 7868
I stopped trying to fill it after 70 entries. A handy aspect of the app is at any time you can move the entire calculation/stack to the phone.

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#364866 - 25/09/2015 18:31 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: tfabris]
Phoenix42
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Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
It took me longer then it should to see it - fantastic!

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#364915 - 30/09/2015 18:06 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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Posts: 7868
The new OS X release is out, CDN propagation delays may cause it to take some time. For now this direct link is working here:

https://itunes.apple.com/app/os-x-yosemite/id1018109117

(Oddly the link has the older OS name in it, but it will lead to the 10.11 El Capitan installer)

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#365012 - 09/10/2015 00:07 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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Every new iPhone in September seems to be followed by some sort of Nixon and Hotel Watergate scandal by October to help raise more click revenue.

Looks like after "bendgate" for the iPhone 6, it's now "chipgate" for the 6s. Apple is sourcing their A9 processors from both Samsung and TSMC this time, likely to help meet their record breaking 13 million phones sold in the first weekend. Initial claims stated a 2 hour battery difference between them. Further testing and Apple's own statement is indicating it's more of a 2-3% difference at most.

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#365013 - 09/10/2015 00:49 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
DWallach
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I installed El Capitan on my work machine and it fixed a bug where my shiny new Philips 4K monitor wouldn't wake up from sleep. So yeah! I made sure to update/upgrade my Homebrew beforehand, and had no troubles there at all. About the only minor annoyances were:

. My old, free, perfectly functioning iStats Menu didn't work. The new one costs money. Grumble.

. I had to reinstall the drivers for my Wacom touchpad.

And that's about it. Not bad, all things considered.

Now, the thing I dread is doing this to my home computer, which has a perfectly good Teac USB DAC/amplifier thing for which Teac hasn't released new drivers. So I'll have to wait on that.

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#365014 - 09/10/2015 01:09 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
larry818
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Registered: 01/10/2002
Posts: 1039
Loc: Fullerton, Calif.
I installed IOS9 on my iphone 5 after reading here that the performance was ok. Which it is.

What I now get is a hard crash every 2 or 3 days. Sometimes the phone notices this and reboots it's self, but most of the time I have to give it the two finger salute.

Apple definitely peaked at IOS6.

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#365046 - 13/10/2015 17:40 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: DWallach]
DWallach
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Whoops, newer goodies!

http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/13/9512501/apple-imac-magic-keyboard-announced-mouse-2-trackpad-2

New trackpad, mouse, & keyboard: these address my #1 complaint with the old ones -- AA batteries that need to be replaced all the time. The solution, though, is that they get power over... lightning cables. I almost don't mind this, since you'd just have them plugged into some random port on your computer, so they'll be compatible with everything. Still... is Apple moving to USB-C or not?

Also, spec bumps to the iMac line. No updates to the laptops.

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#365047 - 13/10/2015 20:49 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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Originally Posted By: DWallach
Still... is Apple moving to USB-C or not?

I don't expect the connector to change on the phone or tablet, Apple already caught flack over moving from the decade old 30 pin connector to Lightning 3 years ago.

It is a little odd seeing it pop up on accessories now. The pencil for the iPad Pro makes sense for charging right off the iPad for a few seconds when needed.

The Apple TV remote and the new trackpad/keyboard/mouse charging is a bit strange. The new Apple TV has a USB C port for diagnostic use only, and bundles a USB A to Lightning cable for charging the remote. Charging right off the AppleTV would have been nice, but no USB C to Lightning cable exists yet.

Notable, the new keyboard and trackpad can work in wired only mode. Someone tested turning off bluetooth with them while cabled and they continued to work. Useful for environments that may ban wireless input devices.

*edit* Computer wise, they may be holding off on USB C ports until they can add in Thunderbolt 3. TB3 moves to the USB C connector, and will likely be the point I upgrade off my 2008 Mac Pro to a new Mac desktop. TB3 will have specific support for external GPUs, something Intel wouldn't certify under TB1 or TB2 for some reason.


Edited by drakino (13/10/2015 21:55)

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#365049 - 13/10/2015 23:21 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
Dignan
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Originally Posted By: drakino
Originally Posted By: DWallach
Still... is Apple moving to USB-C or not?

I don't expect the connector to change on the phone or tablet, Apple already caught flack over moving from the decade old 30 pin connector to Lightning 3 years ago.

I can't believe that's the reason, as that's never stopped them from moves like that before.
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#365050 - 14/10/2015 00:00 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: Dignan]
drakino
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Originally Posted By: Dignan
I can't believe that's the reason, as that's never stopped them from moves like that before.

Fair enough, and an understandable point of view from someone who doesn't follow Apple closely. I'll expand on why I don't believe USB C will be in the iPhone 7-9 (including s models)

Announcement of the Lightning connector, Phil specifically states it's a connector for the next decade. https://youtu.be/h7Qtp6Iv7a0?t=36m5s . First iPhone with it was the 5, and now up to the 6s has us at the start of the 4th year of a possible 10 year possible lifespan. This could of course change, and Apple does change it's mind at times.

Another aspect is Apple using the proprietary connector and Made for iPhone labeling as a way to help increase ethical manufacturing of accessories. Any certified device has an authentication chip in the lightning connector that is only sourced direct from Apple, and the entire supply chain for the accessory manufacturers has to adhere to these guidelines.

Between those two factors, and seeing Lightning now appear in more then the phone and tablet, it's my belief that it's going to be around for a while.

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#365052 - 14/10/2015 13:25 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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Loc: Canada
Just like chips in printer cartridges. Same rationale, too.

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#365054 - 14/10/2015 14:09 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: mlord]
drakino
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Originally Posted By: mlord
Just like chips in printer cartridges. Same rationale, too.

I've not heard this before. Which printer manufacturer is applying both technical and political actions to enforce ethical manufacturing in their supply chain?

*edit* Looks like HP has a site with info on their efforts, haven't dug much into this though. And I don't remember it coming up when I was an HP employee. My job was far away from the printer division though (thankfully).


Edited by drakino (14/10/2015 14:15)

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#365055 - 14/10/2015 14:16 Re: new goodies from Apple (& others) [Re: drakino]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
Same actual rationale, not stated rationale.

Peter


Edited by peter (14/10/2015 14:16)

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