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#366217 - 07/03/2016 19:42 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: pedrohoon]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: pedrohoon
I am interested in how this is working for you, since I am looking at moving in a similar direction myself.

In general, I'm pretty happy with the purchase. From a hardware standpoint, there hasn't been a lick of trouble -- though that other thread is a reminder that I really should check the drive temps. I haven't looked at them at all. I have the 4 drives in a Z2 array (2 drive redundancy). Aside from the power supply issue, everything went into the case just fine, but it's a *really* tight fit for the mobo. There is not a lot of space. The fans are quiet enough that I've never noticed them while working in the office. The drives make more noise than the fans, IMO, but I have tinnitus, so maybe I just don't notice. smile

On the software side, it's been a mixed bag. The two sore points for me: 1) configuring it to use as a print server, and 2) crashplan.

1) Setting up a jail with CUPS is trivial. My printer has a wireless network option, but a) it's finicky at best, and b) it can only be configured wirelessly if the wireless network is configured in an insecure manner, so we use it with USB. Unfortunately, no-one seems to know how to get FreeNAS to provide permissions to access the USB device to the non-root users of a jail. FreeNAS appears to configure their jails just slightly different from stock FreeBSD, so that the guidelines for FreeBSD don't work. The response from FreeNAS contributors with respect to USB devices is along the lines of "FreeNAS is only for storage, the developers don't intend it to be used for things like that, so won't spend time developing it." Which, of course, isn't how FreeNAS is marketed. But anyway. This is solvable, I just haven't spend the time to do so, since my Linux desktop is doing an adequate job for the time being.

2) Crashplan. Ugh. Yes, there is a crashplan plugin. I have had nothing but problems with it. There are loads of people out there who have nothing but problems with it, and their searches for assistance all seem to be met with "but it works flawlessly for me." Well, it doesn't. Code42 appears to not have any backward compatibility in their client software. If the client software isn't the same version as what's running on the server, the two won't communicate. The FreeNAS crashplan plugin was packaged with an old 3.x version of the client software, and current version is now 4.x. It's supposed to auto-update, but the auto-update failed. I have tried a) re-installing the plugin, b) installing an x server and vnc server to run it non-headless, c) installing a normal jail with linux compat and installing the crashplan without the plugin, and d) giving up. I will not be using crashplan. Instead, I'll just rsync my linux desktop, and install the rsync-based iBackup on the macs, and let ZFS do its snapshot magic. I'm still not settled on cloud storage yet. rsync.net's ZFS replication is nice, but extremely expensive -- they claim it's due to enterprise-class support, but I don't need enterprise-class support, I just need an end-point for a ZFS send command. I'm currently looking at Backblaze B2, with duplicity.

Other than that, I'm happy on the software side, too.

The plex server plugin works just fine. I've had no issue streaming/transcoding H.265 videos to an ipad. Setting up jails, storage, users, snapshot schedules, etc is easy too. It would be nice if there were a simple button to set up recommended snapshot intervals for a data set, but that's a pretty minor point.

The majority of the issues I've had have been 3rd party integration. For example, I needed to tell her mac book to index the NAS drives, so that she could use Spotlight. And I couldn't use my regular gmail account for the SMTP settings, without turning off security settings (so rather than set up another gmail account, I signed up for an SMTP relay service).

The only thing I wish I had done was max out the memory supported by the mobo, but that's really a temporary issue. I'm using the server evaluate CRM systems for the theatre, so I have a couple of jails set up running apache/wordpress/mysql installations. Once we make our choice, one of those will go away, and the other turned off except for dev/testing purposes.

From the standpoint of using the box as a NAS, it's been a set-n-forget operation, just as I'd hoped. It just sits there, ticking away.

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#366239 - 11/03/2016 00:01 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: canuckInOR]
pedrohoon
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Thanks for the update and glad to hear it is positive overall.

Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

In general, I'm pretty happy with the purchase. From a hardware standpoint, there hasn't been a lick of trouble -- though that other thread is a reminder that I really should check the drive temps. I haven't looked at them at all. I have the 4 drives in a Z2 array (2 drive redundancy). Aside from the power supply issue, everything went into the case just fine, but it's a *really* tight fit for the mobo. There is not a lot of space. The fans are quiet enough that I've never noticed them while working in the office. The drives make more noise than the fans, IMO, but I have tinnitus, so maybe I just don't notice. smile


I would imagine that the 8-bay case with 2 x 120mm fans should be pretty quiet and keep the drives nice and cool too. If I remember correctly, that mobo has PWM fan controllers so you should be able to slow the fans down if required. The 4-bay case only has the one fan but I think it should still be OK. I would say the noisiest fan would be the small one in the PSU.

Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

On the software side, it's been a mixed bag. The two sore points for me: 1) configuring it to use as a print server, and 2) crashplan.


snip...

Other than that, I'm happy on the software side, too.


After checking out the FreeNAS forums, I stumbled across NAS4Free which is a fork of the original FreeNAS. Judging by the comments on this blog, N4F is considerably less resource-intensive than FN but at the cost of limited functionality eg plugins.

Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

The plex server plugin works just fine. I've had no issue streaming/transcoding H.265 videos to an ipad. Setting up jails, storage, users, snapshot schedules, etc is easy too. It would be nice if there were a simple button to set up recommended snapshot intervals for a data set, but that's a pretty minor point.


That is good news about the transcoding, I understand H.265 is pretty intensive to transcode? The lack of this sort of functionality is why N4F has lower hardware requirements.


Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

For example, I needed to tell her mac book to index the NAS drives, so that she could use Spotlight.


How do you achieve this, I would like to use Spotlight on my current Synology NAS too?


Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

From the standpoint of using the box as a NAS, it's been a set-n-forget operation, just as I'd hoped. It just sits there, ticking away.


That's how it should be!
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#366240 - 11/03/2016 08:27 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: pedrohoon]
andy
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Originally Posted By: pedrohoon

Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

For example, I needed to tell her mac book to index the NAS drives, so that she could use Spotlight.


How do you achieve this, I would like to use Spotlight on my current Synology NAS too?


https://jonathansblog.co.uk/how-to-enable-spotlight-indexing-on-a-network-drive
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#366242 - 11/03/2016 19:40 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: andy]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: andy
Originally Posted By: pedrohoon

Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

For example, I needed to tell her mac book to index the NAS drives, so that she could use Spotlight.


How do you achieve this, I would like to use Spotlight on my current Synology NAS too?


https://jonathansblog.co.uk/how-to-enable-spotlight-indexing-on-a-network-drive

Same link I used. smile

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#366243 - 11/03/2016 19:53 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: pedrohoon]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
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Loc: Portland, OR
Originally Posted By: pedrohoon
Thanks for the update and glad to hear it is positive overall.

Originally Posted By: canuckInOR

In general, I'm pretty happy with the purchase. From a hardware standpoint, there hasn't been a lick of trouble -- though that other thread is a reminder that I really should check the drive temps.


I would imagine that the 8-bay case with 2 x 120mm fans should be pretty quiet and keep the drives nice and cool too.

I checked the drives the other night -- all 4 running at 35C. That's with all drives on the left hand side. I didn't skip any drive bays when I put the drives in.

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If I remember correctly, that mobo has PWM fan controllers so you should be able to slow the fans down if required.

It does, but I'm not sure if FreeBSD/FreeNAS supports that. There's certainly nothing in the FreeNAS UI, and I haven't bothered to dig for the info on FreeBSD.

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I would say the noisiest fan would be the small one in the PSU.

Yup. Some people have swapped the case fans with more expensive fans with better bearings, but I haven't seen the need.

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After checking out the FreeNAS forums, I stumbled across NAS4Free which is a fork of the original FreeNAS. Judging by the comments on this blog, N4F is considerably less resource-intensive than FN but at the cost of limited functionality eg plugins.

I saw N4F, and discarded it as an option pretty quickly. I liked that FreeNAS has a company throwing resources at it. If I don't use the plugins, then I'll see roughly the same resource usage.

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That is good news about the transcoding, I understand H.265 is pretty intensive to transcode?

Yes. Gotta put those 8 cores to use somehow, right. smile

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#366245 - 12/03/2016 14:47 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: andy]
pedrohoon
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Thanks Andy, I'll give it a go next week.
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#366470 - 08/04/2016 13:35 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: pedrohoon]
pedrohoon
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Well I am one step forward, I got indexing working using the mdutil procedure from the link but only after I updated to the latest DSM operating system and enabled AFP.

Now OSX Finder searches on the NAS work and are very fast but Spotlight is not picking up the NAS, any ideas?
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#366471 - 08/04/2016 15:39 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: pedrohoon]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: pedrohoon
Spotlight is not picking up the NAS, any ideas?

None, here. I don't even know if it's working correctly for my wife. I ran the thing in the link, and left it at that. She hasn't complained, anyway.

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#366480 - 09/04/2016 14:18 Re: NAS + Cloud storage options? [Re: canuckInOR]
pedrohoon
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I did a bit more digging and it appears as if the NAS must do the indexing for Spotlight if this Apple discussion post is correct. That does not seem to be happening by any NAS vendors at the moment.

Anyway, I will leave it for the time being, I am grateful that I can search my NAS via Finder now, which I could not do before. Sorry for the thread hijack.


Edited by pedrohoon (09/04/2016 14:21)
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