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#331597 - 31/03/2010 14:14 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: drakino]
msaeger
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So how did SCO pay for this lawsuit that took 6 years. Do they make anything ?
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#331598 - 31/03/2010 14:35 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: msaeger]
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#331599 - 31/03/2010 15:28 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: wfaulk]
msaeger
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From the article Bitt linked:

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"We think, and from talking to Boies, he thinks our case is one aligned nicely for jury trial," McBride said. "You have a big company beating up on a little company. You put that up in front of 12 people in Salt Lake City a year from now, and we like the outcome of that."


Has anyone ever really thought of SCO as David taking on Goliath.

I guess he was wrong.
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#344073 - 06/04/2011 08:57 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: msaeger]
frog51
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SCO trading suspended - the saga continues on...
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#353925 - 09/08/2012 07:02 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
BartDG
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... and it's finally the end...
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#353931 - 09/08/2012 13:41 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: BartDG]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: Archeon
... and it's finally the end...

Not really. Chapter 7 is just liquidation of assets. The assets (including the litigation) are being purchased by a bigger corporation with even deeper pockets. At least, that's how I understood it.

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#357973 - 26/03/2013 20:57 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: canuckInOR]
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#358975 - 17/06/2013 18:14 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: frog51]
drakino
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#363700 - 18/03/2015 12:54 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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#363704 - 18/03/2015 19:52 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
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Heh...I just came in to post that same link smile
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#363712 - 19/03/2015 23:45 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: JBjorgen]
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What FOOL started this POOL?

$

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#366138 - 01/03/2016 16:49 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
canuckInOR
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And... it's done.

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#366139 - 01/03/2016 18:13 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
DWallach
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Well, that only took, what 12 years?

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#366157 - 02/03/2016 18:18 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: DWallach]
canuckInOR
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Practically the blink of an eye!

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#366159 - 02/03/2016 19:29 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
jmwking
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It was a fun re-read of the thread!

Can it really be over?

-jk

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#366169 - 03/03/2016 03:46 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool [Re: jimhogan]
gbeer
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As long as lawyers continue to exist... Likely not.
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#366403 - 31/03/2016 12:49 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
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Looks like the zombie is still twitching....
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#366408 - 31/03/2016 19:20 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
DWallach
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I kinda wonder if Oracle vs. Google (with respect to the use of Java on Android) is in the same boat of "lawsuits that shall never die?"

This might explain why Google has stuck with Java6 (and is now adopting a limited form of Java8 rather than the real deal). Kinda too bad, since Java8 is a much nicer language.

(But Kotlin is even nicer still, and Kotlin works just fine layered atop Java6 and Android.)

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#369681 - 31/10/2017 12:21 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
jmwking
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The beat goes on!

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#369683 - 31/10/2017 16:54 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
DWallach
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Amazing. Sad. Unsurprising.

Meanwhile, Oracle vs. Google is still on appeal. Google has adopted Java8 for Android but has also adopted Kotlin as a "first class language", which means that Android + Kotlin can and will eventually eliminate Java from the lives of most Android developers in much the same way that Swift has eliminated Objective-C from most iOS developers.

You can see an engineering path, via Kotlin, where all the original Java classes go away, but then Oracle will inevitably find a way to bring "derivative works" into the equation.

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#373269 - 05/04/2021 16:09 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
jmwking
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SCOTUS ruled Google was OK, citing fair use of Oracle's IP.

The SCO zombie watch is still going! Except now it's Xinuos v IBM.

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#373270 - 07/04/2021 20:13 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
altman
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...and here I was about to post the same thing smile

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#373274 - 08/04/2021 23:10 Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
sn00p
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I'm assuming the answer to my question is because $$$ and $$$+$$$ because IBM....

But why haven't they (IBM, RedHat, <insert other parties with vested interest in Linux) bought the "IP" from dead SCO/Oracle/whoever owned it last and buried this for good?

I assume the lawyers are doing very well out of this.

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#373275 - 09/04/2021 18:02 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: sn00p]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: sn00p
But why haven't they (IBM, RedHat, <insert other parties with vested interest in Linux) bought the "IP" from dead SCO/Oracle/whoever owned it last and buried this for good?

I'm assuming it's for precedent. SCO/Oracle/whoever doesn't actually own any "IP" being infringed on. It's a shakedown. The only "copied" code that's been shown in the last decade have been a few sections of a few header files for common APIs. IIRC, those are defined in specifications, but even if they weren't, any junior engineer would come up with a similar clean-room implementation from a set of man pages. If IBM rolled over and payed out money for this sort of dubious claim, that would open the door for everyone and their brother to make similar claims in the hope of a payoff.

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I assume the lawyers are doing very well out of this.

Except for SCO's lawyers. I think SCO ran out of money and couldn't pay them.

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#373276 - 09/04/2021 18:54 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: canuckInOR]
sn00p
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Originally Posted By: canuckInOR
Originally Posted By: sn00p
But why haven't they (IBM, RedHat, <insert other parties with vested interest in Linux) bought the "IP" from dead SCO/Oracle/whoever owned it last and buried this for good?

I'm assuming it's for precedent. SCO/Oracle/whoever doesn't actually own any "IP" being infringed on. It's a shakedown. The only "copied" code that's been shown in the last decade have been a few sections of a few header files for common APIs. IIRC, those are defined in specifications, but even if they weren't, any junior engineer would come up with a similar clean-room implementation from a set of man pages. If IBM rolled over and payed out money for this sort of dubious claim, that would open the door for everyone and their brother to make similar claims in the hope of a payoff.

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I assume the lawyers are doing very well out of this.

Except for SCO's lawyers. I think SCO ran out of money and couldn't pay them.


I'm aware of the situation, but buying the "IP" wouldn't be a verdict on whether or not an infringement occurred as least from my very nieve non-legal standpoint, it would however nail the coffin firmly shut. Maybe the law sees it differently, paying out royalties/penalties would be an indication of infringement but that's different (in my eyes) from buying the "IP".

Regardless of whether or not IBM/whoever bought the "IP", these types of claims will still happen regardless because patent trolls exist.

I think this is just such a specific situation that potentially has such dire consequences that I would have thought that obtaining would have been in linuxs be interest.

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#373277 - 09/04/2021 19:23 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
mlord
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The problem with that is, again, there is no IP to buy. So even if one "bought" it (something), there's nothing to prevent future shakedowns from continuing.

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#373304 - 06/05/2021 00:42 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
Taym
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As a side note, quite fun to read this thread from back in the day.
Just saying. smile
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#373587 - 09/11/2021 18:38 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: jimhogan]
JBjorgen
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#373589 - 09/11/2021 21:53 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: JBjorgen]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: JBjorgen


Dismissed with prejudice. But..., in case you missed it, Xinuous, which bought something from the SCO firesale, launched a new lawsuit against IBM, for what seem to be the same IP claims, along with some new ones about conspiring with Red Hat... or something. So I'm not sure this ought to be counted as dead, quite yet...

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#373590 - 11/11/2021 05:10 Re: Benchmark $8.32 Re: SCO Death Watch Pool - 2 Hours [Re: canuckInOR]
JBjorgen
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Originally Posted By: canuckInOR
Dismissed with prejudice.


For the tidy sum of 14.25 million dollars...

I wonder what 20 years of lawyer fees cost?
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