"Three bookmarks may now be stored and restored. "

what's a bookmark ? marking a spot in a playlist maybe ?

32Gig MK2 In 2001 VW Golf TDI

"This is because each MP3 frame is not encoded independently of each other. "

Yes, this is the bit reservoir(sp?). It carries some info from frame to frame.

A patch was recently committed to fix --nogap in the most recent lame alpha builds. I'll give it a shot tomorrow and report on how it turns out with 2.0.

Sean

what's a bookmark ? marking a spot in a playlist maybe ?

Essentially, you can keep three playlists around and switch between them, remembering the content and position for each. You can keep one for, let's say audiobooks, one for your music choice and one for your SO's music choice. I imagine you can also have a scratch playlist that you don't save, for instance for when demo'ing the player or with guests in the car.

If you're on a quest to hear every track on the player, you currently lose your position in the playlist (and if it was shuffled play there's no way to get back that precise order) if someone makes a new search or selects another playlist - bookmarks solve this.

/Michael

Great feature list, will you offer classes for that :-)
Some question though, there was some talk a quick access method to 'consumer' treble/bass/balance sound control might be implemented by pressing the rotary button during play ?

Was there any other meaningful function implemented for the rotary button ?

Do the left/right buttons still adjuste volume while pressed ?

BTW, is there a way playlist browsing could pick up at the point it was left the last time accessed ? It's annoying to navigate through the whole tree all the time if I just want to get one tree level back for e.g. another CD of the same artist.

Other than that, cant wait to see the new visuals and all that.

Keep our mouths' watered...Cheers, Slug

But of course, I don't yet know if the new empeg decoder handles MP3 file boundaries in a fashion which will preserve this cross-file musical information.

We will see soon, but I don't think it does. To do that properly, the decoder should know when to reset its internal state at the beginning of the new tune and when not, and we have not heard of any new properties to flag a tune as 'continuous with the next one'. Am I right there, or do encoders 'return to neutral' at the end of MP3 files? If they do, then it would suffice never to reset the decoder: files made by cutting a large MP3 would play exactly as one, and in the case of independend files the 'leftover' from the first would not spoil the beginning of the next.

Of course, I am not quite sure I am making any sense here, knowing almost nothing about MP3 internals .

Guys@empeg?

Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

From the release notes:

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Position is remembered in playlist menus - press and hold the playlist menu item to return to previous level. This does not currently work across reboots.

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Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

I was using the newly added splitting program should I need to preview the tracks when using that ?

It helps, yes. As mcgrant says in his post to this thread, sometimes the bit reservior gets in the way, depending on how the playback software handles it.

I actually don't have any "Split" tracks on my empeg to test, I should probably play with that real quick to check...

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Tony Fabris

I believe that it's this second method that is the reason you may be getting only 90% effectiveness with your gapless playback instead of 100%. The problem is that these "silent" frames can actually contain information necessary to fully decode previous or following frames

Right, I'm aware of the bit reservior issue, and GapKiller does the best with what you've got. It currently does the only two possible things it can: A) trim existing frames via trial and error, B) split a single large MP3 cleanly at frame boundaries.

I don't think the playback of the Empeg Car 2.0 software attempts to preserve the bit reservoir across tracks, so even method B won't sound perfect. It's the correct behavior for a player to empty the bit reservior between tracks when it has no clue whether the material was supposed to be gapless or not.

All I'm saying is that the 2.0 software now sounds (to my ear) exactly like the WinAmp gapless playback plugin that I was using to begin with. In other words, it no longer has a tiny pause between two tracks as it sorts out the next song. It plays one track, then gets right on with the next one.

I'll play with some deliberately-split tracks and see how they sound on the 2.0 software..

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Tony Fabris

Okay, I played with some deliberately-split tracks and they sound exactly as you would expect them to sound if you dumped the bit reservior between two frames. There is the slightest tiniest glitch at the boundary, but there is no pause and no dropout. It sounds infinitely better than it did before 2.0, where there was an actual droput there (however small).

It's not perfect, but the glitch is so miniscule that you probably wouldn't notice it during regular listening. If it still bugs you, you can do my trial-and-error trimming method which will get you quite a bit closer to perfect.

Remember that the player has got NO CLUE that Track B is a continuation of Track A, and it's actually doing the Right Thing to dump the bit reservior and restart the decoder when it encounters a new track. If it didn't, then two disparate tracks would have a glitch at the boundary, and that's not good either. In fact, it would be worse. So I think the player is doing the Right Thing now. It's certainly doing the best it can with the material it's been given.

I'm not sure how the new version of LAME is going to handle those boundary points. I'm curious to see how the player software handles it. If LAME is able to make two tracks dovetail without the decoder having to do anything special other than play the two parts really close together, then the car player will do it flawlessly.



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Tony Fabris

what's a bookmark ? marking a spot in a playlist maybe ?

Yes, but it's more than that. It's a saving of the entire playlist state, including your current position within it.

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Tony Fabris

It's Monday.........

Waiting..............

MK2 Home made smoked 32Gb S/n 090000949

And with you the rest of the empeg community. I guess Rob is probably still typing the remaining 12 pages of the release notes

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Where is it? Where is it? I woke up an hour earlier, skipped breakfast to just keep on clicking on the refresh button, came to work in pijama for the same reason, breaking all speed limits, climbed up the stairs by car just to get to the office quicker, and still refreshing continuously... Help! I need it!
Ok, I was joking. The only serious part is that I need v. 2.0 to go back to normality, today...



Taym
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You do have a new website to explore for now at least.
That should keep you busy for five or so minutes.

Where is it? Where is it? I woke up an hour earlier, skipped breakfast to just keep on clicking on the refresh button, came to work in pijama for the same reason, breaking all speed limits, climbed up the stairs by car just to get to the office quicker, and still refreshing continuously... Help! I need it!

I know, I know! Not only am I waiting for 2.0 but my Tuner is on a TNT van somewhere waiting to be delivered! Man is it frustrating.

Has anyone noticed how time appears to be running slower today for some reason?

ChrisTall
That really is my name!

Yes.....


And very nice it looks too.

Good effort chaps.

MK2 Home made smoked 32Gb S/n 090000949

Just saw it! Great job, bravo Drakino!
I registered, voted, browsed it all... WHat can I say, I love it! No need to say, if I can help I'll be happy too.
The problem is: I already browsed it three times, and 2.0 has not been released yet... Don't know what else to do!!

Taym
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C'mon Rob

Stop teasing....

MK2 Home made smoked 32Gb S/n 090000949

I can see them over there in Cambridge, checking the BBS and laughing at every single comment of ours...
"Shell we upload it?"
"No, let's wait a little bit more..."


Taym
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I presume that it will eventually turn up in the Beta software page.

I hope that I am constantly refreshing the right page???

MK2 Home made smoked 32Gb S/n 090000949

He Rob, in France it's 13:00.

I AM HUNGRY ......

Will you feed our Appetite .....



Empeg II - 10 Gb - Red Fascia - 750 Songs -

- I Will Strike From the Grey -

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the tuner functions will be enhanced with v2, or did I dream that? Something about Traffic Announcements and automagically choosing the strongest signal for a particular radio station (is that called EON or something?)

yeah - good point!
is it this url? http://www.empeg.com/cgi-bin/display.cgi?section=downloads&id=4

TeeMcBee
Mk2, # 080000143, 12+30 GB, Tuner Module

Yea, but over here in NZ it's already Tuesday!! 9/10/2001 1:20am, I bin refeshing ALL day, and now I'm exhusted. Well better sleep, the quicker it's morning the quicker I can start refreshing again.

p.s. tis my birthday on Wednesday, can I get a early present...Rob..hint...hint.... :)

That is where I would expect it (and have been refreshing my browser)

-Doug
Mk2-12G Blue (Now A/R Green)

That's where I'm looking. No Joy yet though...

MK2 Home made smoked 32Gb S/n 090000949

"There are no files in this section. " =

-Doug
Mk2-12G Blue (Now A/R Green)

I bet the file IS there but they forgot to update the page


MK2 Home made smoked 32Gb S/n 090000949

I don't have the latest info, but if the beta is ready for public release, then it will probably be late Monday or the early hours of Tuesday morning (UK time) before it's available.

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David
// I'm probably not speaking on behalf of empeg/SONICblue here...

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Maybe if when you delete a song from a playlist a dialog box pops up that asks you if you also want to take it out of the soup?

I believe I just said that?

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Tony, you [bold]kinda[/bold] just said that. You described having a dialogue box appear when you are deleteing a track from it's final appearance in a playlist. I suggested that everytime you delete a track, you are asked if you want to delete that one instance of the track, or delete all occurances of that track (playlists and soup). Mine might be a little more annoying because it would appear all the time, but it would be more useful when you wanted to completely remove a track.

Did I miss it, or is search impletemented in emplode?

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