The last shred of respect I had for the RIAA is gone:

http://wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47552,00.html

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Tony Fabris

ALL YOUR MP3 ARE BELONG TO US


-Tony
MkII #554

The last shred of respect I had for the RIAA is gone:


Why did you have respect for them in the first place??????

Serious question. I've always seen them as a strongarm organization... Bullies.

It's not like they actually make the music, nor do they directly represent those that do.



That aside, I'm waiting to see how well they do against my openbsd firewall.... Have fun hacking it guys....

Why did you have respect for them in the first place?

I didn't have much respect to begin with. What little respect I had was based on the fact that they were a necessary evil. Without them, the record companies would have no advocates to help protect their livelihood. I have to concede that the the record companies have a right to protect their business. I just don't like the way the RIAA is going about things.

There's a difference between doing what you have to do, and being snakes in the grass. Trying to squeak their addendums into unrelated bills is bad enough (see: Works For Hire clause in the SHVA), but to take advantage of us through a rider on an antiterrorism bill? Feeding off of our collective pain, mourning, and anger? That's below low.

The article stated that they aren't going to be seeking it the way it was originally worded in the first draft. This is irrelevant. The fact that they tried at all is beneath contempt.

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Tony Fabris

What little respect I had was based on the fact that they were a necessary evil. Without them, the record companies would have no advocates to help protect their livelihood. I have to concede that the the record companies have a right to protect their business. I just don't like the way the RIAA is going about things.


But when their rights interfere with our rights, who is right?

Err.. Left.

Aw, to hell with it... When is 2.0 out ?

OK, here is my question which seems simple enough. When I buy a CD, I have purchased the right to listen to the songs on that CD. I have also purchased the rights to copy those songs for personal use. (i.e. Making a Tape copy of the CD or a mixed tape is protected extended copyright upon purchase)

So if the RIAA makes protected CDs so I can't rip them to MP3, don't I have the beginnings of a class action lawsuit against the RIAA or the record company arguing that they are not allowing my my rights to listen to music in the chosen format I already paid for? Futher, wouldn't seaching my systems for music I already paid for also constitute illegal search and seisure?

Greg

I think illegal search and seisure pertains more to government activity, but I do agree with you. This is simply insane.

32GB Mk. II in a WRX
Detroit, MI USA
www.PfeifferBeer.com

It's perfectly fitting that RIAA sees itself 'incorrectly' and 'unintentionally' targeted by antiterrorism act.

Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

So if the RIAA makes protected CDs so I can't rip them to MP3, don't I have the beginnings of a class action lawsuit against the RIAA or the record company arguing that they are not allowing my my rights to listen to music in the chosen format I already paid for?

I certainly hope you do. If somebody takes the task of bringing up such a case, count me in as a donor to legal expenses fund!

Futher, wouldn't seaching my systems for music I already paid for also constitute illegal search and seisure?

That was one of the things they were trying to immunize themselves from.


Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

There's a difference between doing what you have to do, and being snakes in the grass. Trying to squeak their addendums into unrelated bills is bad enough (see: Works For Hire clause in the SHVA), but to take advantage of us through a rider on an antiterrorism bill? Feeding off of our collective pain, mourning, and anger? That's below low.

Not only that, Tony. They found (correctly) that antiterrorism act describes their (actual or intended) behavior as criminal, and wanted to imunize themselves from liability. They simply want "license to kill" anybody's network or computer (claiming they have a reasonable suspicion that they might harbor illegally copied copyrighted material) without being considered cyberterrorists, with impunity.

Even if they manage to sneak something as hideous as that in the present climate of eroding regard for civil liberties in the USA, they should remember that Internet is global, and US legislation is not. Resistance to RIAA and their movie industry brethern is still sporadic (e.g. sale of region-coded DVD players is illegal in Switzerland and New Zealand, IIRC), but we will see. They should read Ustinov's "Krumnagel" [1].

It seems vital that someone take decisive legal action to protect user's right to do what they want with goods they have legally purchased.

[1] American cop sees a guy running out of a jewelry store and shoots him. Turns out the guy just bought engagement rings and was catching the bus. The cop gets publicly reprimanded, internally commended. He goes for vacations to England, does the similar thing, gets life in prison. There's more than that to the novel, but you get the drift. Recommended.

Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

In reply to:

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...Resistance to RIAA and their movie industry brethern is still sporadic (e.g. sale of region-coded DVD players is illegal in Switzerland and New Zealand, IIRC), but we will see

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Um, I live in New Zealand, and Region Coded DVD players are certainly on sale here. We are in DVD Zone 4, but most DVD players you buy these days are 'adjusted' before you get them to play any zone DVD you care to have.

There is certainly no law here against the selling of Region-Free [or Region-hacked] DVD players. Our Government currently has a hands off approach to this whole area of 'copyright' by assuming that the citizen has more rights for personal use of the DVD from other zones over the rights of the ditributors to enforce their sales regions.
This same hands of approach also lets video & DVD rental shops parallel (or grey) import DVDs from the US - much to the annoyance of the local distributors of said DVDs and movies but my heart bleeds for them.

Ah, so not illegal, but at least not enforced. I stand corrected.

About those 'grey' importers of USA editions of DVD's: the main purpose for DVD region coding is price fixing, anyway.

Thanks.

Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

When I buy a CD, I have purchased the right to listen to the songs on that CD. I have also purchased the rights to copy those songs for personal use. (i.e. Making a Tape copy of the CD or a mixed tape is protected extended copyright upon purchase)

With all the recent attempts at screwy legislation (some successful, others not - for now), it seems to me that, when you buy a CD, all you purchase is the right to walk out of the store with a piece of plastic without the alarm going off. Anything you do with it afterwards is a privilege that the RIAA generously grants you. Yeah, of course that's not the case right now but are you willing to bet it still won't be the case 15 years from now. I honestly don't know...

Borislav

HAH!


Murray
new styleee

How dare record labels a) that they can peruse my computer without my consent; b) decide what may or may not be pirated material; c) think that they have the right to do it legally.

If I had copied my own CDs for my own purposes how would they know?

The nerve.

Murray
new styleee

Here's another slant on the article.

Talk to that damned congressman, Doug!

One of the few remaining Mk1 owners... #00015

...which is effectively what most software licenses say. Nobody's attempted to try those in court, either.


-- roger

Oh, that's choice. Hope it gets a lot of publicity and something good comes of it.

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Tony Fabris

they are trying to make music piracy "guilty untill proven innocent"
all this terrorisim is causing lots of things to become that way... *sigh*

12gig red mk2 -- 080000125

A better issue here is the Indi-Artist. They may play with many versions of a song before releasing it. If the RIAA gets the right to search their computer, they could force the artist to pay rights to sampled songs which never get used in a final versionbecause they now know the indi-artist is tinkering with them. Hopefully the Anti-trust will change some things and put a stop to a lotof the RIAA's actions.

Greg

confirmation of the news report I had above.

Murray
new styleee