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#66399 - 04/02/2002 02:57 Pioneer MP-CD
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3979
Loc: Manchester UK
I was just having a browse through a car stereo website after buying my CD-SR80 and noticed a 'new' Pioneer mp3 cd player. What was even more interesting was the visual shown on the headunit display.

http://www.incar-discount.co.uk/acatalog/DEH-P7400MPlg.jpg

It definitely has more than a passing resemblance to an empeg visual (I'm sure you can guess which one!). I wonder if Toby is getting his cut of the takings on this one?

Cheers,

Andy M
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#66400 - 04/02/2002 11:48 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: andym]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3454
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Pioneer have had similar VU visuals for a while - since the first OEL display units. Can't remember if this was before or after the first empeg-car VU visual though!

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#66401 - 04/02/2002 13:57 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: altman]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
Hey, speaking of VU meters, anyone one a replacement for /empeg/lib/visuals/vuback.raw?

One is attached. Toby, if you like it, you can have it for use on the official player software.


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64991-vuback.raw (223 downloads)

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#66402 - 04/02/2002 14:04 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: andym]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4911
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
I'd like to see a better image of that visual. This picture from Crutchfield's site suggests the pixels on that display are huge. This screen looks inferior to their other products.
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#66403 - 04/02/2002 14:16 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Tony, could you post a jpg of it? I wanna see if i should do some rawwrittin' =]
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#66404 - 04/02/2002 14:47 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
Tony, could you post a jpg of it?

No.

But I will post a .gif of it.



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65016-my_vuback.gif (117 downloads)

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#66405 - 04/02/2002 15:03 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
svferris
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Registered: 06/11/2001
Posts: 700
Loc: San Diego, CA, USA
Ok, so how long before we have a modified VU visual with this style meter?
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#66406 - 04/02/2002 15:36 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: svferris]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
Ok, so how long before we have a modified VU visual with this style meter?

As long as it takes you to upload this file to your player as /empeg/lib/visuals/vuback.raw. That was what I was talking about.... Did you miss that post?
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#66407 - 04/02/2002 15:41 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
can you make it go to eleven for that extra bit of headroom?
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#66408 - 04/02/2002 15:45 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: muzza]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
Then it wouldn't be a "VU" meter, it would be a "St Hubbins" meter.

Do a BBS Search on "RAWerter" and created your own meters. It's fun!



Edit: (Sorry, got the characters backwards. That would actually be a "Tufnel Meter".)
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#66409 - 04/02/2002 15:46 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
svferris
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Registered: 06/11/2001
Posts: 700
Loc: San Diego, CA, USA
That's what I get for trying to scan the board quicker...

I second the vote for going to 11.
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#66410 - 04/02/2002 19:18 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
I updated the VU meter graphic a bit today. The new .RAW file is attached to this message. Next mesasge I will post a screen shot of it.


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65137-my_vuback.raw (178 downloads)

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#66411 - 04/02/2002 19:18 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
Here's the screen shot of the updated VU meter from the previous message. I think it's a little better.



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65138-my_vuback.gif (1792 downloads)

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#66412 - 04/02/2002 22:33 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Thanks for putting the letters "L" and "R" under the meters. I didn't think it was intuitive enough to have each meter on its corresponding side.

BTW, will the meter still work if I remove the screws (on the corners) holding it onto the empeg's VFD?

Bruno
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#66413 - 04/02/2002 22:56 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: hybrid8]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
and here's a pic of in in action. Sweet! Thanks Tony. Hrmm... what other interesting things could ya put behind two moving needles......


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#66414 - 04/02/2002 23:44 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: loren]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Probably a couple of junkies, but my empeg's not that kind of player.

BTW, that's a nice stand you have for your empeg.

Bruno
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#66415 - 05/02/2002 04:25 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
prolux
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Registered: 17/08/1999
Posts: 151
Loc: Manchester, UK
Tony, very nice as usual from you.

My only slight dislike is the numbers. I have tried very hard to make the entire visuals library technically correct, and therefore numbers are not included where they are not meaningful (and of the correct value).

Maybe the numbers are meaningful?

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#66416 - 05/02/2002 11:17 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: prolux]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31295
Loc: Seattle, WA
Maybe the numbers are meaningful?

You are right, the numbers are not meaningful. I was going by a photograph of an old VU meter. An actual "VU-looking" meter would never be numerically accurate in an empeg visual because 0db is the top of the scale, but real VU meters will show over-clipping.

If anyone has an idea of how the numbers should really be displayed, I would welcome suggestions and make the necessary edits.
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#66417 - 05/02/2002 11:27 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
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How do you upload it to the player?

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#66418 - 05/02/2002 11:56 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: ]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
FTP it to /empeg/lib/visuals/vuback.raw
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#66419 - 05/02/2002 12:44 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
You could calibrate AnnaVue using several 'syntethic' MP3s containing sinewaves (or, even better, noise) of known amplitude. (Or Toby could just tell us ).
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#66420 - 05/02/2002 14:43 Re: Pioneer MP-CD [Re: tfabris]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
Well technically, having 0 at the top would be correct for a digital meter. Analog VUs have a certain amount of headroom which represents the saturation of the recording tape. All digital mixing desks are 0 at the top. There is a 'nominal' position at around -10dB to allow for peaks.

Having 0 at the top would be fine IMO.
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