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#357376 - 03/02/2013 19:38 Too much stuff, too little space...
Dignan
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So my wife - despite my efforts - is now a complete Apple convert. Nah, it's okay, she likes it and that's great.

My question here doesn't, I suppose, really have anything to do with Macs, but I thought it would help to make it clear up front that we're working with a MacBook Pro here. She got one from work, and has understandably decided to use it as her main computer because it's far better than the one she was using. The only problem we're running into so far is that we've come up against the storage limit on the 256GB SSD, and she has far more in photos and music than the available space will allow.

So what do we do? What do you guys recommend? My personal preference is a desktop, where I have over 3TB of storage (which is already getting full). I have no experience dealing with storage limitations like this.

For the time being, I've transferred her photos to the Mac, since that is the more unique content. My recommendation for her, frankly, would be to ditch most of her music collection. I added her to my rdio subscription a year ago, and she loves it and uses it all the time. At this point she really doesn't need all that data taking up space on her computer...

So what do you folks do? Where do you store the data on the computers that can't hold it all?
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#357377 - 03/02/2013 19:48 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
andy
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How much data does she actually have and which MacBook ?
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#357383 - 04/02/2013 03:25 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: andy]
JBjorgen
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Same situation. I just got a 1TB external drive. Added bonus to being able to do Time Machine backups to the drive.
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#357386 - 04/02/2013 05:43 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
Roger
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Originally Posted By: Dignan
So what do you folks do? Where do you store the data on the computers that can't hold it all?


NAS.
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#357396 - 04/02/2013 13:56 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
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If the optical drive is rarely used, it can be replaced with a secondary internal hard drive. There are kits available that package the old optical drive in a USB enclosure, and you install the new hard drive into a drive carrier that fits right into the space the optical drive came out of. A traditional hard drive or SSD can be mounted.

There are larger SSD drives available to replace the 256GB, although pricing is not cheap.

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#357399 - 04/02/2013 21:03 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: K447]
Dignan
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Originally Posted By: andy
How much data does she actually have and which MacBook ?

At the moment, I do not have the laptop in front of me, but it's 256GB SSD, she has 80GB (and counting) of photos/videos, and 133GB (and counting) of iTunes stuff. That adds up to more than whatever's left on the drive, and even if it didn't she'd get close very soon anyway.

I'm 99% certain that she has the most recent model MBP.

Originally Posted By: JBjorgen
Same situation. I just got a 1TB external drive. Added bonus to being able to do Time Machine backups to the drive.

Naturally, this may be the solution, but she's going to use this laptop mostly on the couch, and unless we glue an external drive to the lid of her MBP, I don't think this will work...

Originally Posted By: Roger
NAS.

Yeah, I thought this might be necessary. Any tips on a VERY EASILY CONFIGURED drive? I don't need anything enormous, 1TB would be fine.

Plus, how does OSX deal with not having access to that content when the laptop isn't at home?

Originally Posted By: K447
If the optical drive is rarely used...

No optical drive. This is the most recent rev MBP.


Edited by Dignan (04/02/2013 21:04)
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#357400 - 04/02/2013 21:14 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
DWallach
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Your problem isn't OS X. It's each application. Some programs, like iTunes, which famously has its problems, might be more likely to have problems when the external drive or NAS isn't around. Others do better.

For what it's worth, I copied my music collection to Google Play with their uploader. Just barely fit, and had to transcode to high-quality MP3 rather than the original lossless. Still, this makes my full collection available everywhere I go on every device I own, so long as I've got a working network. You might consider something similar to offload the music and save space on the SSD for other things.

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#357401 - 04/02/2013 21:37 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: DWallach]
drakino
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If it lacks an optical drive, it's a Retina Macbook Pro. The non retina models still have an optical drive. Which means an SSD upgrade is not going to be a great path here.

I'll post more ideas later.

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#357402 - 04/02/2013 22:57 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
K447
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This Nifty Minidrive product will get you about 64GB of extra storage space, depending on which microSD card you put in it. Fits entirely within the built-in SD card reader slot.

I currently have a number of these elago Nano II compact USB microSDHC card readers . Amazingly compact, the only real limitation is they do not yet fully support microSDXC cards. Up to 32GB with SDHC cards, they work quite nicely.


Edited by K447 (05/02/2013 00:54)

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#357405 - 05/02/2013 01:33 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: drakino]
andy
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You can upgrade the SSD on the Retina Pro, but there aren't many options so it isn't cheap:

http://www.ifixit.com/Apple-Parts/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Retina-Drive/IF117-000

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Aura_Pro_Retina_2012


Edited by andy (05/02/2013 01:34)
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#357406 - 05/02/2013 01:36 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: andy]
andy
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And I see ifixit don't actually have any stock of the ones they claim to sell...
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#357407 - 05/02/2013 01:42 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: andy]
Dignan
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Originally Posted By: DWallach
Your problem isn't OS X. It's each application.

Sorry, I may not have been clear and my past biases might have been clouding this part, but I'm not blaming OSX here at all. I have no experience with these limitations on Windows laptops either, so I would fully expect the same problems there, too.

Originally Posted By: drakino
If it lacks an optical drive, it's a Retina Macbook Pro.

Yeah, sorry, I forgot to mention that. Yes, it's a Retina MBP. She got them to get her a pretty damn slick machine here...

Originally Posted By: andy
And I see ifixit don't actually have any stock of the ones they claim to sell...

No matter, there's no way in heck she'd be able to go that route. This computer doesn't belong to her, it's a work machine that she's just fortunate to be able to use for personal stuff.
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#357409 - 05/02/2013 07:13 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
BartDG
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You could go the NAS route, but I believe that would be a bit overkill in this situation, unless you want easy access to the content of the NAS drive from other computers than your wife's Mac as well.

If not, I would simply buy an external drive, this would be the quickest, least-hassle and cheapest option in any case. 2.5" models also don't need an external power adapter ; they draw their power from the USB socket, so no cable clutter as well.

They come in capacities from 500 GB up to 2 TB, so I imagine that would be enough. I particularly like the MyPassport models from Western Digital.
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#357410 - 05/02/2013 07:48 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Dignan]
Roger
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Originally Posted By: Dignan
she has 80GB (and counting) of photos/videos, and 133GB (and counting) of iTunes stuff.


...and is that stuff backed up anywhere? If not, you want an external drive (for Time Machine) at the very least. Today.
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#357412 - 05/02/2013 11:05 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Roger]
Taym
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Am I right in assuming the Retina MBP has an mSATA SSD inside? If I am wrong, why not simply buy a larger mechanical 2.5" or 1.8" internal drive? Yes, performances will decrease, but it may be worth considering.

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So what do you folks do? Where do you store the data on the computers that can't hold it all?

I don't. I keep my data in my home server or my office file server, and only a minor part of it is on my laptop. I currently have an 80GB SSD in my work laptop and it is enough. Clearly, that many not work for everybody.




Edited by Taym (05/02/2013 11:08)
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#357414 - 05/02/2013 11:47 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Taym]
andy
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Originally Posted By: Taym
Am I right in assuming the Retina MBP has an mSATA SSD inside? If I am wrong, why not simply buy a larger mechanical 2.5" or 1.8" internal drive? Yes, performances will decrease, but it may be worth considering.

Not quite. It uses what is basically an mSATA drive with a slightly different header. And apart from Apple there appears to be only OWC that actually supply alternative drives.

But as we've now established, it is a work machine and can't be messed with.
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#357415 - 05/02/2013 15:52 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: andy]
drakino
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On the data front, she needs to decide what data she wants with here at all times, and what she wants just in the house.

For music, iTunes Match is also a possibility. Set up her full normal library on an external drive/NAS and set up Match. Then create a second local library on the laptop to use for just playback.

https://www.apple.com/itunes/inside-itun...rs-and-you.html

I think addressing the music part will take care of the main issue, since thats ~130GB. Photos at 80GB is easy to still just keep local and not mess with multiple libraries.

I personally use a NAS for the main iTunes music library, usually controlled from my Mac Mini. Then my laptop and desktop just use Match. With all the iCloud video playback, I don't have to worry about having space to hold my iTunes TV shows anymore.

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#357417 - 05/02/2013 21:00 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: andy]
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Originally Posted By: andy
Originally Posted By: Taym
Am I right in assuming the Retina MBP has an mSATA SSD inside? If I am wrong, why not simply buy a larger mechanical 2.5" or 1.8" internal drive? Yes, performances will decrease, but it may be worth considering.

Not quite. It uses what is basically an mSATA drive with a slightly different header. And apart from Apple there appears to be only OWC that actually supply alternative drives.


Regardless of any connector difference, there simply is no room for a mechanical drive of any size (except maybe those little mini drives the Rio Nitrus or Carbon had?)

That's the SSD in the middle left:

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#357419 - 06/02/2013 07:56 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: andy]
Taym
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Originally Posted By: andy
But as we've now established, it is a work machine and can't be messed with.

Oops, sorry, I was not paying attention enough.

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Not quite. It uses what is basically an mSATA drive with a slightly different header. And apart from Apple there appears to be only OWC that actually supply alternative drives.
Interesting. It does look similar to a mSATA in the picture posted by Aaron. Now I am curious: does anyone know why a different connector? It does not look particularly smaller?


Back on topic, besides of course decreasing the amt of data she wants to carry with her all the time, the only other option I see in this case is a small (physically) external USB / Thunderbolt drive to be connected only when needed. Or, to increase portability even more, a particularly large (64GB) pendrive? The Nifty Minidrive and the elago Nano II compact USB microSDHC card reader mentioned above look very nice. Thanks for posting them here, I did not know those.



Edited by Taym (06/02/2013 08:03)
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#357420 - 06/02/2013 08:00 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Taym]
BartDG
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Originally Posted By: Taym

Interesting. It does look similar to a mSATA in the picture posted by Aaron. Now I am curious: does anyone know why a different connector? It does not look particularly smaller?

The connector isn't (much) smaller, but the drive itself is, as you can see in this comparison photo. which puts a 3.5", an SSD and a mSATA drive next to each other. (warning: large pic!)

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#357421 - 06/02/2013 08:08 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: BartDG]
Taym
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Sorry, I meant: why a "non-standard" mSATA connector, rather than a standard one, still mSATA? Incidentally, I seem to remember that mSATA refers to the connector itself, and not much to the card size, as mSATA drives already come in different sizes and shapes.



Edited by Taym (06/02/2013 08:10)
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#357457 - 07/02/2013 03:18 Re: Too much stuff, too little space... [Re: Taym]
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I thought I read that the Apple SSD connector is some sort of custom mini-PCIe variant instead of mSATA. Still doesn't answer the question of why, though. Maybe it's .5mm smaller and that makes all the difference? Maybe the electrical characteristics are required to be different for some reason? Maybe they wanted to kill the third-party upgrade market, forcing you to pay their BTO markup?

I forgot that the 13" retina is a little bit of a different beast, and actually has enough room for a thin 2.5" drive in there where the SSD normally goes. Designing an adapter for the connectors would be a pisser, though.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Retina+Display+Late+2012+Teardown/11225/1
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