Sorry. I completely missed that until i went back to look at the examples. Yeah, CSS w/h and tag w/h really mess things up. I have pulled alot of hair out trying to get things to lay out properly. (My beef was with WIDTH, and had numerous problems, where IE would do as expected, but then Opera/Mozilla would be 'short', then fix it, and IE would be too far right..) Unfortunately, since many, many people *USE* IE, you can't just say, 'screw Macrosoft..' and do it the way you want.. (Well, at least, you can't when you do commercial sites, like the one I'm workign on..)

Me..