The iPod UI could be a lot more intuitive though. Specifically with regards to the new click wheel. I don't own one, but every time I pick up a friend's I can't help but try to navigate it like an empeg or TiVo. That is, push one direction for enter and the opposite for back or cancel. But alas, it doesn't work that way. you have to press the middle button for enter. And the four click buttons seem to do only what they're marked for, regardless of where you are in the menu navigation (which I suppose is handy for some people). I suppose in that respect I prefer the layout of the previous one, with the buttons up top.

I love the Karma feature set. I don't appreciate it's lack of storage nor its form-factor. Likewise, I think most of the other Rio players also had very awkward form factors. The Chiba and Cali for instance I find very unfriendly.

Bruno